PrinzII Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Note: This thread is applicable to the 3.5L V6 only. This thread is purely exploratory to determine if a project like this is feasible. I am kicking around the idea of forced induction for the Edge. The option that most appeals to me is an STS turbo (aka rear-mount turbo). STS does make a universal kit, however, I need to find out more information. a) One of the main concerns with a project like this is the transmission. I am curious how much horsepower the stock trans can take before I would have to change internals. Could the stock engine take more or is 8 psi the absolute max? c) Am I correct in assuming that I would have to get a programmer and then have whatever shop I use reprogram the PCM? Any suggestions/advice given would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Note: This thread is applicable to the 3.5L V6 only. This thread is purely exploratory to determine if a project like this is feasible. I am kicking around the idea of forced induction for the Edge. The option that most appeals to me is an STS turbo (aka rear-mount turbo). STS does make a universal kit, however, I need to find out more information. a) One of the main concerns with a project like this is the transmission. I am curious how much horsepower the stock trans can take before I would have to change internals. Could the stock engine take more or is 8 psi the absolute max? c) Am I correct in assuming that I would have to get a programmer and then have whatever shop I use reprogram the PCM? Any suggestions/advice given would be appreciated. The Edge uses the 6F50 trans. They had to upgrade it to the 6F55 to handle the 350 hp Ecoboost V6. So I doubt the 6F50 would handle much of a power upgrade. And you would definitely need a new tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJG Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) You would need a higher TQ capacity transmssion, stronger half shafts, higher capacity cooling system, higher capicity fuel system including new pump and injectors, maybe larger fuel lines (but doubt it), different MAF sensor for sure, a tuner to program the ECU when you're on the dyno. Some type of charge cooler....air to air, air to water to air, etc. Assuming the stock computer can be programed to handle that. Turbo or turbos, custom exhaust manifolds to mate up to turbo, custom exhaust system after that, etc and on and on and on. Reposition exhaust sensors. I doubt if stock pistons and rods would take much boost. Also....I don't see any way to be street legal....if you reposition the oxygen sensors. How do you deal with stock VVT? Cheaper and simpler to super charge.....assuming you can make it fit under hood. If you want to put a power adder on something.....get a Mustang....even new 3.7. Even older 4.0 Mustang V6 manual trans better candidate than 3.5 Edge. Kits already developed. Just bolt one on, get a tune, and you're ready to go. Make 300-350 at the wheels (or more with a lot of boost). Edited January 8, 2012 by RJG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 akirby: You are just the person I hoped would chime in on something like this. Thanks for confirming that the trans might be the most challenging part of the puzzle. Based on what you are saying, I would have to change to a 6F55 in order to handle any significant HP or could some of the internals from the 6F55 fit into the 6F50? RJG: I see where you're coming from but Mustangs are too tight of a fit for a guy like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdave Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 What about finding a donor 4th gen Taurus SHO (3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost) and swapping out the engine and transmission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJG Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 What about finding a donor 4th gen Taurus SHO (3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost) and swapping out the engine and transmission? Or just get an SHO. Work is already done for you. Total package is already engineered. Way cheaper in the long run. Better value also. Put a turbo on an Edge, and it's worth nothing afterwards. SHO is still an SHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 What about finding a donor 4th gen Taurus SHO (3.5L twin turbo Ecoboost) and swapping out the engine and transmission? With that said, wouldn't I have to also figure out a way for the harnesses (wiring) to work on the Edge or are they compatible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 You would need a higher TQ capacity transmssion, stronger half shafts, higher capacity cooling system, higher capicity fuel system including new pump and injectors, maybe larger fuel lines (but doubt it), different MAF sensor for sure, a tuner to program the ECU when you're on the dyno. Some type of charge cooler....air to air, air to water to air, etc. Assuming the stock computer can be programed to handle that. Turbo or turbos, custom exhaust manifolds to mate up to turbo, custom exhaust system after that, etc and on and on and on. Reposition exhaust sensors. I doubt if stock pistons and rods would take much boost. Also....I don't see any way to be street legal....if you reposition the oxygen sensors. How do you deal with stock VVT? Cheaper and simpler to super charge.....assuming you can make it fit under hood. If you want to put a power adder on something.....get a Mustang....even new 3.7. Even older 4.0 Mustang V6 manual trans better candidate than 3.5 Edge. Kits already developed. Just bolt one on, get a tune, and you're ready to go. Make 300-350 at the wheels (or more with a lot of boost). Centrifugal blower might work in that instance. However, I am interested in keeping it "stealth" with no noise(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Honestly, I have bugged my Ford dealer about the following concept: Edge Sport AWD 365 hp Ecoboost from an SHO (Tune it to around 450-500) Tune the suspension for better handling (also consider strut tower brace, better front and rear sway bars, and subframe bracing) Change the steering to a Mustang GT's Upgrade the brakes to 6 pot Brembos Remove speed governor Upgrade transmission to handle increased HP If SVT came out with something like that for the Edge, I'd be all over it faster than a Bugatti Veyron on nitrous and racing gas goes from 0-60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted January 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Oh, and RJG...I have already explored supercharging a Camaro SS or, if I can afford it, buying a ZL1. If I wasn't as long-legged as I am, I would consider a 2013 GT 500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbaboomi Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) For the 3.7 mustang there is a vortec supercharger available. Isnt the sport the same engine? I wonder if it would fit Edited January 12, 2012 by kbaboomi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 For the 3.7 mustang there is a vortec supercharger available. Isnt the sport the same engine? I wonder if it would fit Same basic engine. Different orientation. Mustang is longitudinal, Edge is transverse. All of the plumbing and connections are different. You might be able to make it work but you're better off with a tested kit for the Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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