SharkDiver Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have a 2011 AWD Limited. Does anyone make a chip/tuner for this engine yet? I called SCT, Superchips and Diablo. None of them have anything and have no working plans to make anything as of yet, according to them.... I need a few more horsepower for towing. I have a small 6x12 enclosed trailer that weighs approx 2000 pounds loaded. As soon as I get on the highway, it falls on its face at around 55-60 mph. I tried using the manual shifting and it won't maintain speed even at 65 in 5th gear.4th gear, yes, but I don't like rev'ing out at 3800 rpm. I guess the frontal surface area is causing the resistance, not necessarily the weight because around town it does just fine. Another 50-75 horsepower would be nice. Any suggestions?? I went on Ford's website and it suggests not towing anything with a frontal surface area of greater than 30 square feet. I'm at 36 square feet. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blivit Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 I have a 2011 AWD Limited. Does anyone make a chip/tuner for this engine yet? I called SCT, Superchips and Diablo. None of them have anything and have no working plans to make anything as of yet, according to them.... I need a few more horsepower for towing. I have a small 6x12 enclosed trailer that weighs approx 2000 pounds loaded. As soon as I get on the highway, it falls on its face at around 55-60 mph. I tried using the manual shifting and it won't maintain speed even at 65 in 5th gear.4th gear, yes, but I don't like rev'ing out at 3800 rpm. I guess the frontal surface area is causing the resistance, not necessarily the weight because around town it does just fine. Another 50-75 horsepower would be nice. Any suggestions?? I went on Ford's website and it suggests not towing anything with a frontal surface area of greater than 30 square feet. I'm at 36 square feet. Thanks! Do you know who you spoke with at SCT (I work for SCT...) We do support the 2011 but not all. If you can get me your processor code (look for the processor itself, under the hood passenger side firewall...4 digit code something like EVY6) I can tell you for sure if yours can be tuned. However, you will NEVER gain 50-75 hp on a gasoline naturally aspirated vehicle with just a tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlepse Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 Do you know who you spoke with at SCT (I work for SCT...) We do support the 2011 but not all. If you can get me your processor code (look for the processor itself, under the hood passenger side firewall...4 digit code something like EVY6) I can tell you for sure if yours can be tuned. However, you will NEVER gain 50-75 hp on a gasoline naturally aspirated vehicle with just a tune. What kind of gains can you expect with the off the shelf tunes? Do you have any dyno results? I wouldn't think you'd get much maybe around 10-15hp?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blivit Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 What kind of gains can you expect with the off the shelf tunes? Do you have any dyno results? I wouldn't think you'd get much maybe around 10-15hp?? Average gains with just a basic tune on a naturally aspirated gas engine are in the 10 hp range. Diesel will gain much much more as will factory super or turbocharged vehicles. I don't recall what year was dyno'd here (believe it was an 08) but I believe that Edge picked up 15 or so horsepower. That was with the addition of a 93 octane and a tune to go along with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) A chip is not going to get you any help while towing. Chips get you more HP at WOT conditions at high rpm. Even a 15hp chip is going to result in maybe 1-2hp at the low rpm medium load conditions that you find when towing. It's not going to be enough to make a difference. You're just going to have to live with the higher rpms, that's the way the car was designed, so don't worry about it. FWIW my Miata runs 3800rpms in top gear at 75mph without any trailer at all. Edited October 27, 2011 by Waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blivit Posted October 27, 2011 Report Share Posted October 27, 2011 A chip is not going to get you any help while towing. Chips get you more HP at WOT conditions at high rpm. Even a 15hp chip is going to result in maybe 1-2hp at the low rpm medium load conditions that you find when towing. It's not going to be enough to make a difference. You're just going to have to live with the higher rpms, that's the way the car was designed, so don't worry about it. FWIW my Miata runs 3800rpms in top gear at 75mph without any trailer at all. I respectively disagree. We are talking about flash tuning here and not a "chip" (chips have not been used on ford vehicles since 2004; they all require reflashing the processor.) For the Edge you would be looking at a custom tune/flash meaning it could be set up for any combination. Low end power/torque can be raised while upper end left alone along with altering the shift points and pressures; all of that most certainly will help with towing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 (edited) I shouldn't have implied you're not going to improve overall towing with a tune, but I still don't see how you can possibly fix the problem of maintaining speed at 65mph in 5th gear with a 36sqft trailer. You're going to need to add 20-30hp at around 2500rpm and I just don't think that's possible with a tune only. Edited October 28, 2011 by Waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkDiver Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 OK, well 10-15 hp doesn't sound like much to me. I am coming out of the diesel scene where some chips/tuners gave an additional 150+ horse power. I guess it's not the same with gas huh?? Anyway, would 10-15hp even be worth spending the money? I can get that by eating a power bar and peddling my bicycle!! LOL!! Any idea what a SCT tuner would cost for my vehicle anyway? I cant get the code right now cause it's in the shop getting the radio fixed. It has some kind of tuning issue or antenna issue. I guess there is a TSB on it...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdave Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 OK, well 10-15 hp doesn't sound like much to me. I am coming out of the diesel scene where some chips/tuners gave an additional 150+ horse power. I guess it's not the same with gas huh?? Diesel engines (almost always) have a turbocharger, which can fairly easily produce a lot more hp by increasing the boost pressure a few psi and advancing the ignition timing a little. A naturally aspirated gas engine such as ours does not have a lot of room at all to produce more power without adding forced induction. The Edge was simply not built for towing. There's not a lot of torque down low and with its tall gearing it doesn't work the greatest for pulling a large trailer on the highway, as you've discovered. Ford designed the Edge to give the best gas mileage possible for a larger SUV-like vehicle and towing was not on the list of priorities. I think you'd be better off trying to make your trailer more aerodynamic rather than trying to increase the Edge's hp. Maybe something like this?? http://www.nosecone.com/appull.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluEdge11 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I agree with dave. Sell the box trailer find an aluminum framed trailer with the pointed front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theakerr Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Interesting thread. Does a 2011 let you lock out 6th gear overdrive? I have a 2010 that lets me lock-out the 6th gear OD. I have a single axle 8 x 10 trailer weighing about 1800 lbs with the same surface area as the posters and with OD locked out I can tow it loaded with my HD Bagger at anywhere from 55 to 70 mph up-hill and downhill at a pretty constant speed with no problems (except horrible mileage at anything above 60 mph). I did experiment with the OD NOT locked out and it was not good. Gear hunting, poor mileage and speed fluctuation. With the OD locked out, mileage over about 3000 miles over varying terrain was 14 to 17 mpg with an average of close to 15 mpg. Biggest factors in mileage seemed to be 1. speed, 2, wind, 3, terrain (Colarado & Utaha) and gas (Okalahoma, Missouri and Texas where I found it actually paid to go with mid-grade gas) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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