JohnR0983 Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 (edited) Hi, my first post. I purchased a 2017 Ford Edge Sport 2.7l AWD in March 2025 with ~78K miles. Also own a 2013 sport for my daughter which is how I discovered what a fantastic vehicle it is. I have observed an excessive amount of smoke on cold starts most of the time but not all of the time. It does this if parked on an incline, decline or flat. No engine codes. No oil or coolant consumption. No drivability issues at all, plenty of boost. Happens if driven aggressively or moderately. Installed a catch can that I thought eliminated it or reduced it but did not. Smoke stops quickly with in 5-10 seconds There are plenty of reports and a fix for the F150 2.7l echoboost for this issue on TSB 19-2188 but I have searched and searched but not found a TSB for the Edge 2.7l echoboost. It seems to me they are the same engine, one transversely mounted vs longitudinal. Has anyone had this issue and fixed it by replacing the oil feed tube? Is the oil feed tube same on the F150 and Edge 2.7l so maybe I could use the parts from the F150 TSB to fix this on my edge? The oil feed tube appears to be easy to replace at least the one on the front of the Engine. Before I go replacing parts, thought I would ask if others have had the issue and found a fix. If there is no TSB for the edge the oil feed tube designs may not have changed and was thinking of ordering the F150 and Edge versions, then installing the F150 if they look to be the same but improved on the F150 oil supply tube. I uploaded a video to youtube but not sure this forum allows external links but will try: Edited March 15 by JohnR0983 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted March 15 Report Share Posted March 15 Welcome. I also have a 2017 Sport and at 112K miles now and haven't seen this at all. It sure does seem similar to what's reported in the TSB. TSB 19-2188.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR0983 Posted March 16 Author Report Share Posted March 16 @1004ron Thanks for posting regarding yours. I spent many late nights searching for others with a similar problem and it speaks to how little seems to go wrong with our Ford Edges as I did not find much at all that seems to go wrong. There just does not seem to be many posting serious issues for the 2.7L Echo Boost. I checked my catch can tonight and it was full (300ml). It has been less than 300 miles since I put it on so I must have some other problem than the turbo oil supply. My issues seeming to be a match for that TSB, so I have been stuck on that without looking much for other possible causes. I have avoided taking it to the shop for a diagnosis that is $250 and doesn't apply to the fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 My catch can gets full at about 1000 miles, so I empty it every second or third gas tank - that's in winter and its a mix of oil and water. In summer I empty it less frequently and its mostly oil. If your PCV is good then it might be excessive crankcase pressure causing the catch can to fill at that rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR0983 Posted March 16 Author Report Share Posted March 16 The catch can was full with what appeared to be all dirty oil, no milky water. Maybe the catch can did solve the issue but when it got full it came back. When I first put it on the smoking seemed to stop. Replacing my PCV valve is on my list now. Because I have no error codes or drivability issues I did not think it was the PCV valve. I would have done it today if the parts department at the dealership would have been open. Maybe someone on this forum will have had this issue and know how to fix it. Since I purchased it I have only had to replace the backup camera and hood struts so hope it is nothing major. After all my research before buying it and how impressed we have been with the 2013 Sport just have not expected it to be anything major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzr1 Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 My nephew installed a catch can on his expedition with the 3.5 ecoboost and his catch can would fill up quickly also. I suggested to replace the pcv valve and we did, and now the amount collected is minimal. I don't know if he has the smoke issue but it is a different engine. My 2.7 does not smoke like yours. However, during the initial warm up period using remote start I notice a larger amount of exhaust smoke exiting. Probably due to the higher rpm and cold weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 From the 2017 Edge Workshop Manual... Pinpoint Tests PINPOINT TEST A: BLUE SMOKE FROM EXHAUST Introduction Possible Causes Oil leak Air cleaner Air intake Crankcase ventilation system Internal engine damage Turbocharger A1 CHECK THE EXHAUST Start the engine. Monitor the exhaust system. Is blue smoke noticeable from the exhaust system? Yes GO to A2 No INSPECT for external oil leaks. REFER to 303-00 Engine System, Oil Leak Inspection for the engine being diagnosed. A2 CHECK THE AIR CLEANER Inspect the air cleaner. Is the air cleaner clogged? Yes REPLACE the air cleaner. REFER to 303-12 Intake Air Distribution and Filtering for the engine being diagnosed. CHECK the system for normal operation. No GO to A3 A3 CHECK THE AIR INTAKE PIPES AND HOSES Inspect the air intake pipes and hoses for loose connections or leaks. Were any loose connections or leaks found from the air intake pipes or hoses? Yes REPAIR or REPLACE the intake air system. REFER to 303-12 Intake Air Distribution and Filtering for the procedure. No GO to A4 A4 CHECK THE CRANKCASE VENTILATION SYSTEM Check the crankcase ventilation system for damage and correct operation. Refer to 303-08 Engine Emission Control, Diagnosis and Testing for the engine being diagnosed. Is the crankcase ventilation system damaged? Yes CLEAN, REPAIR or REPLACE the crankcase ventilation components. REFER to section 303-08 Engine Emission Control for the procedure. No GO to A5 A5 CHECK THE AIR INTAKE PIPES AND HOSES FOR EXCESSIVE OIL NOTE: It is normal for a small amount of combustion gas to pass into the crankcase. This gas is scavenged into the air intake system through the positive crankcase ventilation system, which incorporates a crankcase vent oil separator. Some engine oil, in the form of a vapor, is carried into the air intake system with the blow-by gases (this engine oil also contributes to valve seat durability). This means that oil will collect inside the air intake components and the turbocharger. This is not an indication that the turbocharger oil seal has failed. The turbocharger oil seal will generally not fail unless the bearings fail first, which will cause the turbocharger to become noisy or seize. Do not install a new turbocharger due to oil inside the intake. Inspect the inside of the air intake pipes and hoses for excessive oil. Is excessive oil noticeable? Yes GO to A6 No DIAGNOSE internal engine damage. REFER to 303-00 Engine System, Diagnosis and Testing for the engine being diagnosed. FOLLOW the pinpoint test to diagnose blue smoke. A6 CHECK THE TURBOCHARGER Remove the air cleaner outlet pipe and CAC intake pipe. Refer to 303-12 Intake Air Distribution and Filtering for the procedure. Inspect the compressor wheel for damage. Check that the turbine shaft spins free. Check for contact marks between the compressor wheel and the housing. Is the turbocharger damaged? Yes INSTALL a new turbocharger. REFER to 303-04 Fuel Charging and Controls - Turbocharger for the procedure. No Diagnose internal engine damage. REFER to 303-00 Engine System, Diagnosis and Testing for the engine being diagnosed. FOLLOW the pinpoint test to diagnose blue smoke. Good luck! Engine Fuel Charging and Controls - 2.7L EcoBoost - Diagnostic Pinpoint Test A - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) Valve - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 F-150 Workshop Manual.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR0983 Posted March 16 Author Report Share Posted March 16 @Haz Thank you! I need to get the manual clearly. I haven't inspected the intake hoses but will do that. The air cleaner has been replaced and it looks fine. I will get the PVC valve and inspect the crankcase ventilation when I replace that. If all that doesn't correct it I'll have to take it to the shop. I think the turbos are fine unless it's the oil tube feed or drain. I wouldn't expect the engine to have problems at less than 80,000 miles but have no idea what the previous owners have done. The dealer can probably check the turbos and the engine better than I can. There hasn't been any post about the oil tube on the edge 2.7 l EcoBoost so I tend to think it's not that but was going to replace it just to see and save some money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted March 17 Report Share Posted March 17 Relevant sections from the 2017 Edge Workshop Manual are attached below as PDF documents... Good luck! Turbocharger Oil Supply Tube LH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Generator - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Air Conditioning (A-C) Compressor - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Air Conditioning (A-C) System Recovery, Evacuation and Charging - Overview of General Procedures - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Catalytic Converter LH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Exhaust Flexible Pipe - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Specifications - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Turbocharger Oil Return Tube LH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Turbocharger Oil Return Tube RH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Turbocharger Oil Supply Tube RH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 F-150 Workshop Manual.pdf Air Cleaner Outlet Pipe RH - Removal and Installation - 2.7L EcoBoost - 2017 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR0983 Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 (edited) It has been 5 days with no excessive smoke since I have been keeping my catch can emptied. It smoked the first time I started it after I discovered it was full but has not since. I will be more scientific in my monitoring of oil accumulation by mile to see if I can get 500 to a 1000 miles between emptying it. At this point my guess would be 1ml per mile with a mix of aggressive and moderate driving. That seems high to what other posts and @1004ron has been observing. I am fairly convinced it isn't the turbo feeds or crankcase pressure being off. I used the piece of paper test to confirm a light vacuum at the dipstick. I disassembled the intake and there is no oil in the air filter or tubes. I have replaced the PCV and purge valve. The old PCV valve was not constricted. If I hadn't had a new one to compare the sound would have said there was nothing wrong with it but the check ball or what ever rattles in there did not seem to have as much free motion and seemed to have duller sound as it made contact with the housing. After hours of reading probably well over hundred posts on how much is too much in your catch can, I remembered a post about over filling the engine oil. When I bought the SUV it appeared to be low, close to the bottom hole but it is so hard to tell on those dipsticks unless the oil is dirty and the oil had just been replaced at the dealership. I cussed them under my breath for being cheap and trying to save on a quart of oil and added one. I remember after putting that court in that I was satisfied with it being slightly over the top hole. That has never been a problem on other vehicles I have had but maybe this engine is sensitive to over filling. This may be why I also don't seem to think the oil is being consumed when it has to be with all I am collecting in my catch can and what has been getting burned on cold start. I will post back if it comes back but I am going to chalk this up to blow by and having too much oil in my engine. If the rate I am catching stays what it is or even gets to something more "normal", less than 1ml/mi, it won't be overfilled for long. Thanks for all your posts and suggestions. @Haz and @1004ron thanks for all the documents and trouble shooting steps. I'd say this support helped me avoid spending the money to get it diagnosed and me attempting to replace the turbo oil feed tubes that I had been stuck on due to the similarity with f150 TSB. Edited March 21 by JohnR0983 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 6 hours ago, JohnR0983 said: I remembered a post about over filling the engine oil. When I bought the SUV it appeared to be low, close to the bottom hole but it is so hard to tell on those dipsticks unless the oil is dirty and the oil had just been replaced at the dealership. I cussed them under my breath for being cheap and trying to save on a quart of oil and added one. I remember after putting that court in that I was satisfied with it being slightly over the top hole. That has never been a problem on other vehicles I have had but maybe this engine is sensitive to over filling Just in case, are you aware that for these engines you have to wait ~15 minutes for the oil to fully drain into the pan before checking the oil level? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR0983 Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 Thanks @omar302, I did not know that and I am sure I checked it immediately after adding the quart. I bet it was way too full since I seem to be the only one that has posted about this kind of smoke on cold start for an Edge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 @JohnR0983 FYI, The drain/fill procedure explains why. See attachment. Engine Oil Draining and Filling 27l.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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