2021+ Edge?

[Wubster100]

12 hours ago, Edgingage said:

I found the side sensors a little bit annoying because when the road snow stick to them they beep and the sales rep told me they can't be silenced, bummer.

The parking sensors can be enabled / disabled by pressing the park aid button. Located by the electronic parking brake, there is auto start stop, active park assist, and park aid.

 

12 hours ago, Edgingage said:

Meanwhile folks, I stlll need youjr help getting into the "fine prints":

Related to the programming questions, I would recommend having the dealership update all modules' software, not just the transmission. This will involve the car being put on a battery tender. Then, the technician will connect the vehicle to their scan tool and FDRS software. The technician's computer will download and install updates to the vehicle's modules.

 

What do you gain by updating software? Ford is continuously updating software, but that is usually only in the pursuit of fixing problems. If you have a problem and you are under warranty, you can take the car to the dealer and Ford will update it. If you don't have a problem or do not have any warranty, then Ford will not update unless you offer to pay for it yourself.

 

12 hours ago, Edgingage said:

does anyone know how much it costs for them to do it?

I would try to negotiate for them to update the software before you purchase the vehicle.

[Edgingage]

Thanks a lot Wubster100 and everyone for your explanation, clarification and suggestions.  I'll definitively ask for everything suggested.  They did tell me that they'll do everything the car needs before handle it to me, but it's very good for me to know what needs to be done, thanks again.

 

They didn't provide the service report today because the service dept wasn't opened.  They told they'll give it to me on Monday.  I kept the car for the weekend after paying a refundable bounty Lol.  I checked the cluster and I want to share a few screenshots with you.  In one of the it's showing "Automatic System Update"option deselected.  I wonder if the vehicle may have the capability to receive updates OTA?

 

Also I'll share some pictures of its rear end showing the towing hitch and the exhaust tips.  I can see a double lip in the exhaust tips as if they put a chrome shirt on top of the exhaust tip.  My 2011 has just the chrome tips, it's a cleaner appearance in my opinion.

 

I still don't know if the towing hitch is aftermarket or original (see picture at the bottom), I have to keep working on that.

 

Thanks a lot for all your great help.

 

 

[Wubster100]

36 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

I checked the cluster and I want to share a few screenshots with you.  In one of the it's showing "Automatic System Update"option deselected.  I wonder if the vehicle may have the capability to receive updates OTA?

The OTA updates will apply to the SYNC 3 system only. The newest SYNC 3 version should be v3.4.22251. From the photos, you are on v3.4.21194.

 

36 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

I still don't know if the towing hitch is aftermarket or original (see picture at the bottom), I have to keep working on that.

If you still can’t figure it out, then message me the VIN number and I can check.

[Edgingage]

On 1/31/2025 at 12:18 PM, Wubster100 said:

One way you can confirm if the vehicle came with the trailer towing package from the factory is by looking in the instrument cluster / message center. You should be able to find the option to enable or disable it there.

 

If the trailer hitch is aftermarket, then there will be no trailer sway control, because trailer sway control cannot be programmed in after, as shown in SSM-51055.

 

13 hours ago, Wubster100 said:

The OTA updates will apply to the SYNC 3 system only. The newest SYNC 3 version should be v3.4.22251. From the photos, you are on v3.4.21194.

 

If you still can’t figure it out, then message me the VIN number and I can check.

 

Wubster100, thanks for your instructions and help.  I've been playing around with the cluster and I can't find the way to the Message Center.  In my 2011 Edge is very easy to find, straight down, but not in this one.

EDIT: I also red the manual from page 103 (Information Display Control Type 2) all the way to page 123 paying attention to page 114 (Electronic Stability Control) and couldn't find where the lowing package info could be. (END OF EDIT)

I'm going to PM you the VIN but please let me know anyway the path to find/get to the Messenge Center.  I took different pictures of the cluster panel menus, if you see under which menu it should be please let me know.

 

Thanks Wubster100 and everyone.

 

Edited Sunday at 08:02 PM by Edgingage

[Edgingage]

Also, on a slightly different but related subject: this vehicle is an AWD.  It also has the Traction Control System or TCS button to be turned on or off (please see picture).

 

Now, my 2011 SEL is a FWD only and it also has the TCS feacture, which I understand it helps in the drivability of the FWD on slippery roads.  My questions related to the 2019 Titanium are:

- Does the TCS button turns on and off the AWD in the 2019 Titanium?

- If not, what does the TCS do in an AWD vehicle, how does the TCS help in the AWD vehicle?

 

I know this question has nothing to do with my decision to purchase the vehicle or not, I'm just curious.

 

TIA

 

Edited Sunday at 07:55 PM by Edgingage

[Wubster100]

  

12 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

My questions related to the 2019 Titanium are:

- Does the TCS button turns on and off the AWD in the 2019 Titanium?

The traction control button does not turn off AWD. The AWD system is fully automatic, and most of the time power is sent to the front wheels only. There is no real way to turn AWD off (except for maybe pulling the AWD fuse lol).

 

All Wheel Drive

 

The AWD system is an active system, which means it not only responds to wheel slip between the front and rear axles but also has the ability to anticipate wheel slip and transfer torque to the rear wheels before the slip occurs. The AWD system is active all the time and requires no input from the operator.

 

The AWD system continuously monitors vehicle conditions and automatically adjusts the torque distribution between the front and rear wheels. During normal operation, most of the torque is delivered to the front wheels. If different wheel speeds (slip) between the front and rear wheels is is detected, the vehicle is under heavy acceleration or if the vehicle is in a handling event, the AWD system increases the duty cycle to the RDU Coupling motor. The RDU Coupling motor commences an RDU clutch activation, in the Rear Drive Unit (RDU) which in turn sets a ball ramp device in motion. The ball ramp device applies the main clutch pack in the RDU and increases torque to the rear wheels as necessary. When the AWD system is functioning properly, there should be no perceived speed difference between the front and rear axles when launching or driving the vehicle on any uniform surface. Traction should be similar to a part time 4WD system operating in 4H (4X4 HIGH), but have no binding in turns.

 

12 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

My questions related to the 2019 Titanium are:

- If not, what does the TCS do in an AWD vehicle, how does the TCS help in the AWD vehicle?

 

AdvanceTrac

 

The AdvanceTrac system is comprised of the traction control and ESC features.

 

Traction Control

 

The ABS module continuously monitors and compares the rotational speed of the drive wheels in relation to the non-driven wheels. When the drive wheels begin to spin faster than the non-driven wheels, the ABS module modulates brake pressure to the appropriate brake caliper(s) by opening and closing the appropriate solenoid valves inside the HCU while the hydraulic pump motor is activated. At the same time, the ABS module calculates how much engine torque reduction is required to eliminate the wheel slip and sends this torque reduction message along with a traction event message to the GWM over the HS-CAN2. The GWM sends the engine torque reduction message to the PCM over the HS-CAN1 and the traction event message to the IPC over the HS-CAN3. When the PCM receives the torque reduction message, it adjusts engine timing and decreases fuel injector pulses to reduce the engine torque to the requested level. When the IPC receives the traction event message it flashes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon). Once the driven wheel speed returns to the desired speed, the ABS module returns the solenoid valves in the HCU to their normal position, deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and stops sending the traction event and torque reduction messages. The PCM returns engine timing and fuel injectors to normal operation and the IPC extinguishes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon). After the vehicle speed exceeds 100 km/h (62 mph), traction control is accomplished only through the PCM torque control.

 

Traction control can be disabled using the traction control switch in the following manner:

 

• Momentarily pressing the switch disables only traction control, ABS, ESC and RSC remain enabled.
• Pressing the switch twice rapidly engages Sport Mode. Sport mode modifies the stability control intervention thresholds to allow for a more driving experience.
• Pressing the switch once after the system is deactivated fully enables the traction control system.
• Pressing the switch once after Sport mode is activated, deactivates Sport mode and fully enables the traction control system.

 

When the driver disables traction control, the IPC communicates traction control status to the GWM along the HS-CAN2. The GWM sends the message to the ABS module along the HS-CAN2. The ABS module takes no further action in regards to traction control until the driver activates the function or until the ignition is cycled from OFF to ON.

 

Traction control is disabled if there is a wheel speed sensor or solenoid valve DTC present in the ABS module. Traction control is also disabled if there is a communication error between the ABS module and the GWM. When traction control is disabled, the ABS module sends a message to the GWM along the HS-CAN2 which gateways the message to the IPC over the HS-CAN3 to illuminate the stability-traction control OFF indicator (sliding car OFF icon).

 

Electronic Stability Control (ESC)

 

The ABS module continuously monitors the vehicle motion relative to the intended course. This is done by using sensors to compare the steering wheel sensor messages, yaw rate sensor messages and longitudinal acceleration with the actual vehicle motion. On vehicles without active park assist, steering angle information is calculated by the PSCM and sent to the ABS module over the HS-CAN2. On vehicles with active park assist, steering angle information is sent by the SCCM over the HS-CAN2. Vehicle yaw rate and longitudinal acceleration information is sent to the ABS module from the RCM over the HS-CAN2. If the ABS module determines from the inputs the vehicle is unable to travel in the intended direction, the brake pressure to the appropriate brake caliper(s) is modulated by opening and closing the appropriate solenoid valves inside the HCU while the hydraulic pump motor is activated. At the same time the ABS module calculates how much engine torque reduction is required to reduce vehicle speed to help stabilize the vehicle and sends this torque reduction message, along with an ESC event message, to the GWM over the HSCAN2. The GWM sends the torque reduction message to the PCM over the HS-CAN1 and the ESC event message to the IPC over the HSCAN3. When the PCM receives the torque reduction message, it adjusts engine timing and decreases fuel injector pulses to reduce the engine torque to the requested level. When the IPC receives this message, it flashes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon).

 

Once the vehicle instability has been corrected, the ABS module returns the solenoid valves in the HCU to their normal position, deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and stops sending the ESC event and torque reduction messages. The PCM returns engine timing and fuel injectors to normal operation and the IPC extinguishes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon).

 

ESC does not operate with the transmission in REVERSE. ESC is disabled if there is a wheel speed sensor, stability sensor or steering angle sensor DTC present in the ABS module. ESC is also disabled if there is a communication error between the ABS module and the PSCM, the ABS module and the RCM or the ABS module and the SCCM (if equipped). When ESC is disabled, the ABS module sends a message to the GWM along the HS-CAN2 which gateways the message to the IPC over the along the HS-CAN3 to illuminate the stability-traction control OFF indicator (sliding car OFF icon).

 

Roll Stability Control (RSC)

 

The ABS module continuously monitors the vehicle motion relative to the intended course. This is done by using sensors to compare the steering wheel sensor messages, yaw rate sensor messages, lateral acceleration sensor messages, longitudinal acceleration sensor messages and roll rate sensor messages with the actual vehicle motion. On vehicles without active park assist, steering angle information is calculated by the PSCM and
sent to the ABS module over the HS-CAN2. On vehicles with active park assist, steering angle information is sent by the SCCM over the HSCAN2. Vehicle yaw rate, lateral acceleration, longitudinal acceleration and roll rate information is sent to the ABS module from the RCM over the HS-CAN2. If the ABS module determines from the inputs the vehicle is becoming unstable, the brake pressure to the appropriate brake caliper(s) is modulated by opening and closing the appropriate solenoid valves inside the HCU while the hydraulic pump motor is activated. At the same time the ABS module calculates how much engine torque reduction is required to help stabilize the vehicle and sends this torque reduction message, along with an RSC event message, to the GWM over the HS-CAN2. The GWM sends the torque reduction message to the PCM over the HSCAN1 and the RSC event message to the IPC over the HS-CAN3. When the PCM receives the torque reduction message, it adjusts engine timing and decreases fuel injector pulses to reduce the engine torque to the requested level. When the IPC receives this message, it flashes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon).

 

Once the vehicle instability has been corrected, the ABS module returns the solenoid valves in the HCU to their normal position, deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and stops sending the RSC event and torque reduction messages. The PCM returns engine timing and fuel injectors to normal operation and the IPC extinguishes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon).

 

RSC does not operate with the transmission in REVERSE. RSC is disabled if there is a wheel speed sensor, stability sensor or steering angle sensor DTC present in the ABS module. RSC is also disabled if there is a communication error between the ABS module and the PSCM, the ABS module and the RCM or the ABS module and the SCCM (if equipped). When RSC is disabled, the ABS module sends a message to the GWM along the HS-CAN2 which gateways the message to the IPC over the along the HS-CAN3 to illuminate the stability-traction control OFF indicator (sliding car OFF icon).

 

Trailer Sway Control

 

Trailer sway is the undesirable yaw force a trailer can apply to the towing vehicle. Trailer sway control is a unique function of the stability control system that uses steering wheel angle information and yaw rate information to determine if a trailer sway event is taking place. On vehicles without active park assist, steering angle information is calculated by the PSCM and sent to the ABS module over the HS-CAN2. On vehicles with active park assist, steering angle information is sent by the SCCM over the HS-CAN2. Vehicle yaw rate information is sent to the ABS module from the RCM over the HS-CAN2. If the ABS module determines from the inputs a trailer sway event is taking place, the ABS module modulates brake pressure to the appropriate brake calipers by opening and closing the appropriate solenoid valves inside the HCU while the hydraulic pump motor is activated. At the same time, the ABS module calculates how much engine torque reduction is required to eliminate the trailer sway and sends this torque reduction message to the GWM over the HS-CAN2 which relays the message to the PCM over the HS-CAN1. The ABS module also sends a trailer sway event message to the GWM over the HS-CAN2 which relays this message to the IPC over the HS-CAN3. When the PCM receives the torque reduction message, it adjusts engine timing and decreases fuel injector pulses to reduce the engine torque to the requested level. When the IPC receives the vehicle stability event message, it flashes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon) and displays TRAILER SWAY REDUCE SPEED in the message center.

 

Once the trailer sway has been corrected, the ABS module returns the solenoid valves in the HCU to their normal position, deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and stops sending the traction event and torque reduction messages. The PCM returns engine timing and fuel injectors to normal operation and the IPC extinguishes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon) and stops displaying the trailer sway message in the message center. Trailer sway control only activates when vehicle speed is greater than 65 km/h (40 mph). Any malfunction disabling RSC also disables trailer sway control.

 

The driver can enable and disable the trailer sway control feature using the message center and steering wheel controls. For additional information, refer to the Owner's Literature.

 

Curve Control

 

The ABS module continuously monitors the vehicle motion relative to the intended course. This is done by using sensors to compare the steering wheel input, the yaw rate sensor input, the lateral acceleration sensor input and the longitudinal acceleration sensor input with the actual vehicle motion. On vehicles without active park assist, steering angle information is calculated by the PSCM and sent to the ABS module over the HSCAN2. On vehicles with active park assist, steering angle information is sent by the SCCM over the HS-CAN2. Vehicle yaw rate, lateral acceleration and longitudinal acceleration information is sent to the ABS module from the RCM over the HS-CAN2. If the ABS module determines from the inputs the vehicle is experiencing over-steer or under-steer while traveling through a curve, the module sends a curve control event message over the HS-CAN2 to the GWM. The GWM relays this message to the PCM over the HS-CAN1 and to the IPC over the HSCAN3. When the PCM receives this message, it assists with curve control by adjusting engine timing and decreasing fuel injector pulses. When the IPC receives this message, it flashes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon). The ABS module continues to monitor the sensor inputs while the PCM assists with curve control. If the ABS module determines PCM intervention is insufficient to control the stability event, the ABS module modulates brake pressure to the appropriate brake caliper(s) by opening and closing the appropriate solenoid valves inside the HCU while the hydraulic pump motor is activated. Once the vehicle instability has been corrected, the ABS module returns the solenoid valves in the HCU to their normal position, deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and stops sending the curve control event message. The PCM returns engine timing and fuel injectors to normal operation and the IPC extinguishes the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon).

 

The curve control system does not operate with the transmission in REVERSE. The ABS module disables the curve control system if there are any wheel speed sensor, stability sensor or steering angle sensor Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) present in the ABS module. The curve control system is also disabled if there is a communication error between the ABS module and the PSCM, the ABS module and the RCM or the ABS module and the SCCM (if equipped). When the curve control system is disabled, the ABS module sends a message over the HS-CAN2 to the GWM. The GWM relays this message over the HS-CAN3 to the IPC to illuminate both the stability-traction control indicator (sliding car icon) and the stability-traction control disabled indicator (sliding car OFF icon).

Edited Sunday at 08:20 PM by Wubster100

[Wubster100]

49 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

I'm going to PM you the VIN

From the VIN number, the vehicle is not equipped with the factory tow package. There is no trailer sway control.

[Edgingage]

When I read all of the above, ...I feel like I would be driving a spaceship LOL.  Thanks a lot Wubster100 (seriously).

 

But my son doesn't understand why I want "that" car.

[Edgingage]

3 hours ago, Wubster100 said:

From the VIN number, the vehicle is not equipped with the factory tow package. There is no trailer sway control.

 

Thanks for the VIN research Wubster100.

 

So, if the vehicle doesn't have a factory tow package, and the only driver is a former dealer employee, I'd like to assume that it's likely that this vehicle hasn't been used for towing, but who knows, I know.

 

Thanks again everybody.

[1004ron]

On 1/28/2025 at 12:24 PM, Edgingage said:

This is probably a stupid question, but I see 2021-24 Edge rolling around, why isn't in here a subforum for 2021+ Edge?  What don't I know, please?

 

I'm looking around to purchase a pre-owned 2021 Edge SEL and I came here to get some info about it.  Where is it?

 

Sorry and thanks.

The administrators finally responded and created the subsection - 2019-Current Edge & Nautilius