2021+ Edge?

[Edgingage]

This is probably a stupid question, but I see 2021-24 Edge rolling around, why isn't in here a subforum for 2021+ Edge?  What don't I know, please?

 

I'm looking around to purchase a pre-owned 2021 Edge SEL and I came here to get some info about it.  Where is it?

 

Sorry and thanks.

Edited January 28 by Edgingage

[Wubster100]

I have a 2021 SEL.

 

I think the reason is because the owner of the forum is gone or something like that. https://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/27032-ford-edge-forum-what-happened/

Edited January 28 by Wubster100

[dabangsta]

Yes, it has been requested before, probably enough difference (SYNC 4, ST 7 speed)? Or just do 2019-2024 Edge and 2024+ Nautilus?

 

Do you want to know about 2021 Edge in general (https://cdn.dealereprocess.org/cdn/brochures/ford/2021-edge.pdf) or what might have changed from 2020 and what options your 2021 SEL might have (https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/product/2021/edge/2021-Edge-Order-Guide.pdf) or an overview with some details https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/products/crossovers---suvs/edge/2021-edge.html

 

Or post questions in the 2019-2020 Edge, which is pretty similar to 2021 (SEL lost some features)

 

[Edgingage]

Oh, I see, the moderator got stuck updating the server for this fora in 2022...  I hope nothing wrong had happened to Robert personally.

 

It's too bad, definitively this is a great forum, it has been VERY valuable to me and my 2011 Edge so far and keep going.

 

I'm just browsing around looking at the possibility to update my 2011 Edge SEL, trying to find out if there is any big cons for a particular year Edge trim.  I'm not looking at a specific year in particular but rather at a year range models, 2019-2021 Edge/Nautilus available in my area at around $20K+ (Canadian).

 

A couple of "most have" in my wish list are:

- pano roof (Canadian summer is great!)

- heated steering wheel (Canadian winter sucks lol)

- and maybe the AWD (I've never driven one but everybody says it's great for Canadian winters)

 

Thank you all for your prompt response folks, apprecicated.

Edited Thursday at 07:30 PM by Edgingage

[STBEAST]

I have a 2024 ST and here are few things I can say.  In 21 they went to the bigger touchscreen (sync 4) which is kind of game changer. The navigation screen is awesome! I got the 401A package which gave me the sunroof and heated seats/steering wheel. I have gotten spoiled the heated steering wheel for sure.

I did get the performance brake and tire package which is great because you get the bigger calipers and rotors. The only issue is they come (only) with summer tires which work good for where I live, but not good in your climate. They should offer that package with a few different tire options, but they don't.

Also, in 21 they went to a 7-speed transmission (via programming) and helps with the performance. I drove both and the 7 speed is an improvement. 

Hope some of this helps.

 

[Edgingage]

 

On 1/28/2025 at 4:41 PM, STBEAST said:

I have a 2024 ST and here are few things I can say.  In 21 they went to the bigger touchscreen (sync 4) which is kind of game changer. The navigation screen is awesome! I got the 401A package which gave me the sunroof and heated seats/steering wheel. I have gotten spoiled the heated steering wheel for sure.

I did get the performance brake and tire package which is great because you get the bigger calipers and rotors. The only issue is they come (only) with summer tires which work good for where I live, but not good in your climate. They should offer that package with a few different tire options, but they don't.

Also, in 21 they went to a 7-speed transmission (via programming) and helps with the performance. I drove both and the 7 speed is an improvement. 

Hope some of this helps.

 

 

Thanks a lot STBEAST, good info shared.

 

One of the three Edge I have narrowed it down it's a 2019 and in part it reads the following:

Performance
Power Steering
Limited Slip Differential
Automatic Transmission - 8 Speed
Performance Tires
Dual Shift Mode Transmission

 

So, it reads 8-speed transmision (not 7-speed).  I don't know if that's the same you mentioned or something else differently.

 

Also, it reads that it comes with "Performance Tires", but I'm not sure if that means "brake and tire package". But here in Canada it's very common to get a second set of wheels as a winter set, either negotiated in the purchase value, or purchased separately off the market.  Now, I can't see the rim size in the picture below, and I don't know yet if this vehicle allows for different rim sizes as the 2011-2014 do (from 17" to 20", and 22" for the Sport).  Edit: I just checked and it seems this model can take from 18" to 21" rims.

 

There're a couple of other things that I'm not familiar with, I don't know what they mean:

- Limited slip differential

- Dual shift mode transmition

 

As this's a 2019 model, as you STBEAST very well said the big screen it's not in this model yet, although that's definitiveley very nice to have that's not in my must-have wish list.

 

Thank you STBEAST and everyone else for all info and clarification you can provide.

 

Edited Thursday at 07:34 PM by Edgingage

[dabangsta]

5 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

One of the three Edge I have narrowed it down it's a 2019 and in part it reads the following:

Performance
Power Steering
Limited Slip Differential
Automatic Transmission - 8 Speed
Performance Tires
Dual Shift Mode Transmission

...

Also, it reads that it comes with "Performance Tires", but I'm not sure if that means "brake and tire package". But here in Canada it's very common to get a second set of wheels as a winter set, either negotiated in the purchase value, or purchased separately off the market.  Now, I can't see the rim size in the picture below, and I don't know yet if this vehicle allows for different rim sizes as the 2011-2014 do (from 17" to 20", and 22" for the Sport).

...

There're a couple of other things that I'm not familiar with, I don't know what they mean:

- Limited slip differential

- Dual shift mode transmition

...

Often times the ads for these have nonsensical details. Most of that doesn't make sense, or all of them have it. Dual shift? Could be Sport mode, could be AWD with paddle shifters). Name any vehicle in the US that doesn't have power steering!

 

Those wheels, with the painted front and side facia with chrome means it is a Titanium 301a with the Elite Package (and it has enhanced active park assist, front camera, pano roof since no side roof rack bars, etc etc etc). You can find the brochure or order guide for it as well to determine what it really has. The wheels are 20's, if it is AWD you can go down to an 18 inch wheel (as long as it is the right backspacing and not weird, you can get standard Edge 18s for example).

[Edgingage]

On 1/28/2025 at 5:44 PM, dabangsta said:

Often times the ads for these have nonsensical details. Most of that doesn't make sense, or all of them have it. Dual shift? Could be Sport mode, could be AWD with paddle shifters). Name any vehicle in the US that doesn't have power steering!

 

Those wheels, with the painted front and side facia with chrome means it is a Titanium 301a with the Elite Package (and it has enhanced active park assist, front camera, pano roof since no side roof rack bars, etc etc etc). You can find the brochure or order guide for it as well to determine what it really has. The wheels are 20's, if it is AWD you can go down to an 18 inch wheel (as long as it is the right backspacing and not weird, you can get standard Edge 18s for example).

 

LOL, I know what you mean with those nonsensival ads LOL: power steering.  Yah, right, try to turn the wheel without power LOL.

 

Thank you dabangsta for the info.  Yes, it's an AWD.  I could get standard Edge 18 wheels but my understanding is that they cannot be from the 201-14 Edge (what I currently have) because the 2011-14 Edge rim bolt pattern is 5x114.3 mm and I think this model Edge takes 5x108 mm.  So, I'll have to buy another set.

 

I'm talking as if I already own that vehicle LOL, I haven't bought it yet! lol.  But it's looking good.  Let's see if I can get a discount on the price, that's usually the point where everything fells apart...

 

Thanks again dabangsta and others for the info and comments, appreciated.

Edited Thursday at 07:36 PM by Edgingage

[dabangsta]

2 minutes ago, Edgingage said:

Thank you dabangsta for the info.  Yes, it's an AWD.  I could get standard Edge 18 wheels but my understanding is that they cannot be from the 201-14 Edge (what I currently have) because the 2011-14 Edge rim bolt pattern is 5x114.3 and I think this moder Edge takes 5x108 mm.  So, I'll have to buy another set.

Yes, 2015+ is the 5x108mm (5x4.25in) bolt pattern.

[Wubster100]

3 hours ago, Edgingage said:

So, it reads 8-speed transmision (not 7-speed).  I don't know if that's the same you mentioned or something else differently.

All 2019-2024 Edges have the 8 speed 8F35. The problem is there is rough behavior from the transmission. To fix the problem, second gear is skipped, making it a seven speed transmission. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10203649-0001.pdf

[dabangsta]

13 hours ago, Wubster100 said:

All 2019-2024 Edges have the 8 speed 8F35. The problem is there is rough behavior from the transmission. To fix the problem, second gear is skipped, making it a seven speed transmission. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10203649-0001.pdf

The ST doesn't have the 8F35 (it is the 8F57). That linked document is about a reprogram, that doesn't skip a gear.

 

Only the 2021+ ST is programmed to skip 2nd gear, effectively making it a 7 speed transmission. The gear ratios between the 8F35 and 8F57 are different.

[Wubster100]

Once it is reprogrammed, it will skip 2nd gear.

[STBEAST]

I drove a 2019 ST at the SUV performance school and Utah and could see why they eliminated the second gear. When the vehicle shifted from second to third the RPMs barely changed at all. Almost like there was no need for ONE of the two gears (2nd or 3rd). The ratios were way too close. 

Now that I have a 2024 ST with the 7 speed the RPM change is much more noticeable because essentially it is going from first to third (eliminating the 2nd).

I am really surprised they didn't design it that way from the beginning.

 

 

[omar302]

16 hours ago, STBEAST said:

I am really surprised they didn't design it that way from the beginning.

 

It was. The 8-speed on the 2.7 was an updated design from the previous 6-speed by adding a shift between the original 1st and 2nd (making a new 2nd) and adding another shift at the top (after the original 6th and becoming the 8th). So with the reprogramming of the 8-speed they cancelled the "new 2nd".

[Edgingage]

Folks, first of all thanks again for all your input, it's really greatly appreciated.

 

Tomorrow (Friday) afternoon I got an appointment to test drive the 2019 Edge pictured above.  I'm not sure if I understood correctly your comments regarding the 7-8 speed and the reprograming/correction thing.  In other words:

- how do I know if that "issue" has been already corrected "reprogrammed" in that vehicle?

- is there any recommendation on how/what to try to test if the 2nd-3rd gear shifting hasn't been corrected in this vehicle yet?

 

Also, I'm planning to test drive the 2021 SEL on Saturday morning.  Although it does have the big screen that everyone likes with the updated SYNC IV, there's something really ticking me off that vehicle: the tail end (no exhaust chrome tips?!).  Ugly LOL, like not being original part from that vehicle LOL.  The bumper has the shape/mold to accomodate the exhaust tips, but no tips; weird.  See picture below.   

 

Thanks folks.

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:19 PM by Edgingage

[dabangsta]

1 hour ago, Edgingage said:

Tomorrow (Friday) afternoon I got an appointment to test drive the 2019 Edge pictured above.  I'm not sure if I understood correctly your comments regarding the 7-8 speed and the reprograming/correction thing.  In other words:

- how do I know if that "issue" has been already corrected "reprogrammed" in that vehicle?

- is there any recommendation on how/what to try to test if the 2nd-3rd gear shifting hasn't been corrected in this vehicle yet?

Since it is a 2019, and it is not an ST, it has the 8 speed 8F35. While there is a reprogram available for it, you likely wouldn't be able to tell if it has been done or not, not on a test drive, or even short term ownership.

 

The indication of the issue is stated as:

Quote

Shudder/buck/jerk while driving up to 35 mph (57 km/h)

So if you detect that, it might not have been done yet, that is what you would be on the look out for.

[dabangsta]

1 hour ago, Edgingage said:

Also, I'm planning to test drive the 2021 SEL on Saturday morning.  Although it does have the big screen that everyone likes with the updated SYNC IV, there's something really ticking me off that vehicle: the tail end (no exhaust chrome tips?!).  Ugly LOL, like not being original part from that vehicle LOL.  The bumper has the shape/mold to accomodate the exhaust tips, but no tips; weird.  See picture below.   

 

Thanks folks.

2021 they deleted the chrome tip exhaust for SE and SEL, so the tailpipes are expected. However that valance/trim shouldn't have the exhaust cut outs, it should be straight across the bottom. None of the media site or brochures show anything but Titanium or ST, so no good Ford official views of the SE/SEL. It likely has been replaced for some reason, could be just it was damaged, or there was more extensive work done.

 

This is what it should look like:

Edited Thursday at 09:36 PM by dabangsta

[Edgingage]

Aha..., that's why it looks weird, because that bumper shouldn't be the one lol.  OK, I'm going to ask them for a service report on that vehicle, thanks dabangsta, that bumper has four sensors for the reverse parking.

 

BTW, the one shown in your picture looks like the passenger side is a little disengaged, or at least misaligned.  Maybe those rear bumpers are problematic?..

 

30 minutes ago, dabangsta said:

2021 they deleted the chrome tip exhaust for SE and SEL, so the tailpipes are expected. However that valance/trim shouldn't have the exhaust cut outs, it should be straight across the bottom. None of the media site or brochures show anything but Titanium or ST, so no good Ford official views of the SE/SEL. It likely has been replaced for some reason, could be just it was damaged, or there was more extensive work done.

 

This is what it should look like:

 

[Wubster100]

I have attached a detailed view of my 2021 SEL’s rear bumper and parking sensors. The tow hitch is aftermarket.

[Edgingage]

15 hours ago, Wubster100 said:

I have attached a detailed view of my 2021 SEL’s rear bumper and parking sensors. The tow hitch is aftermarket.

 

Thanks for the detailed pictures Wubster100, and very nice car color, congrats!  I'll definitely have to ask the dealer what's going on with that anachronic bumper on the 2021 SEL they're selling lol.

 

ThIs one also has a tow hitch, probably aftermarket as well, which concerns me a little bit as a used car because I've read that towing could be hard on the engine/transmition.  Let's see.

 

Thanks everyone.

Edited Friday at 02:48 PM by Edgingage

[Wubster100]

I don’t use mine for towing. I just use it for a bike rack. I don’t have any trailer lights wired up. There is an optional trailer package, which includes extra cooling and trailer sway control.

[Edgingage]

23 minutes ago, Wubster100 said:

I don’t use mine for towing. I just use it for a bike rack. I don’t have any trailer lights wired up. There is an optional trailer package, which includes extra cooling and trailer sway control.

Oh, good to know (I didn't).  I'm going to ask the dealer as I know nothing about that.

 

So, from your comments Wubster100 I can assume that if there's no wiring then it hasn't been used for towing.

 

Thanks again Wubster100, I do appreciate yours and everyone's comments.

[Wubster100]

One way you can confirm if the vehicle came with the trailer towing package from the factory is by looking in the instrument cluster / message center. You should be able to find the option to enable or disable it there.

 

If the trailer hitch is aftermarket, then there will be no trailer sway control, because trailer sway control cannot be programmed in after, as shown in SSM-51055.

Edited Friday at 04:24 PM by Wubster100

[STBEAST]

The factory installed tow package looks like this, on the ST at least. Ford did an amazing job on blending it in cosmetically,

[Edgingage]

Hi folks:

 

I took the 2019 Titanium for a test drive this evening.  From what I can test it's running ok.  I drove it a low speed (just below 60 Km/h) and I couldn't notice hesitation.  I did notice a little bit of tremor when driving at around 30 km/h, but... hard for me to say if that's normal or not.  It was not a good day to test it at high speed, it was a snowy day and the road was very wet.  I just did a brief take off on a green light and... it was good, very good lol.  I found the side sensors a little bit annoying because when the road snow stick to them they beep and the sales rep told me they can't be silenced, bummer.

 

The sales rep didn't know if the tow hitch was after market or not lol.  He pulled the window sticker and the trailer towing package is not listed there.  I asked him for the service report, they didn't want to provide it to me because it has personal info but the sales manager read it over for me.  I then asked him to print it out and black out the personla info.  He told he'll do so. 

 

Meanwhile folks, I stlll need youjr help getting into the "fine prints":

- if the reprogramming of the transmition hasn't been done, questions:

- how do I make them to do it?

- does anyone know how much it costs for them to do it?

- is that something that happenes to all Edge 8F35, to most Edge 8F35, to some Edge 8F35?

- does is get worse if not corrected?

Not sure if I'm asking the correct questions.  Basically, what resources do I have to make them reprogram the transmition?

 

And this is probably the only discrepancy I have with Ford, they barely do recalls, even knowing that they have a problem Huston lol.

 

Thanks in advance once again for all your help.

 

PS: STBEAST, if that's yours, nice ST beast! lol

Edited Saturday at 03:27 AM by Edgingage