NelsonPM33 Posted October 30 Report Share Posted October 30 Hi gents...Im new to the forum and havent ever commented nor posted anything...Im in abit of a situation that I need help in and would really appreciate any advice to my problem...So, the problem: I have a 2016 Ford Edge Sport 2.7lt EcoBoost with roughly 48'000km(29´000 miles roughly), I maintain the car very well and it has never given me any problems prior to this situation...about 2 months ago in the morning when going to work the ENGINE COOLANT OVER TEMP light came on about 5 min of my drive...so obviously I stopped the car and got it towed too the mechanics, after about 3 hours of the car being switched off, I started the car and the temp gauge showed the car at HIGH TEMP again which was actually impossible as the car was cold, but CLEARED the fault to make sure and the FAULT came back, making me to believe that it was not the engine that was HOT and must be some other problem. I did some research on YOUTUBE...and found that there are cases that the ENGINE COOLANT TEMP SENSOR have faults and its a simple as a sensor change...Me living in ANGOLA(Africa...yes AFRICA)...and the local FORDS here are not American imports but rather Brazilian and Indian Fords, and the local FORD DEALERS dont stock US parts...so I had to do my own import which I did...the sensor arrived this week and we replaced the sensor to find that the same error has displayed...can anyone please give me some info...please help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted October 30 Report Share Posted October 30 (edited) Welcome to the Forum @NelsonPM33! Your 2016 Edge Sport is equipped with a virtual Engine Coolant Gauge... ...which the 2016 Edge Workshop Manual describes as operating in this way with emphasis added... Placing your device cursor over underlined acronyms may yield popup full-words descriptions of the acronyms. Virtual Temperature Gauge The IPC uses 2 messages to control the temperature gauge. The first is the engine coolant temperature data, which provides the current engine temperature input to the PCM . The second message is the engine overheat indication request, which is sent by the PCM to the IPC when an overheating condition exists. When the IPC receives the engine overheat indication request message, the IPC sends the temperature gauge to full hot and turns on the over-temperature warning indicator. The IPC receives all the temperature gauge inputs from the GWM over the HS-CAN3 . The GWM receives the engine coolant temperature data and the engine overheat indication request messages from the PCM over the HS-CAN1 . If the engine coolant temperature data or engine overheat indication request messages are missing for less than 5 seconds, the IPC defaults the temperature gauge to the last indication state, based upon the last message received. If the engine coolant temperature data or engine overheat indication request messages are missing for 5 seconds or longer, the IPC defaults the temperature gauge to the full hot position. The following diagnostic Pinpoint Test B provides guidance on scanning your Edge's virtual-gauge-involved electronic modules for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) that may describe the root cause of possible missing engine coolant data messages that are defaulting your Edge's virtual temperature gauge to full hot / overheated condition... A Virtual Gauge (AWD , Tachometer Or Temperature), Is Inoperative Normal Operation and Fault Conditions See Temperature Gauge. REFER to: Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) - System Operation and Component Description (413-01 Instrumentation, Message Center and Warning Chimes, Description and Operation). ***ATTACHED AT BOTTOM OF THIS POST*** Temperature Gauge If the engine coolant temperature data or engine overheat indication request messages are missing for less than 5 seconds, the IPC defaults the temperature gauge to the last indication state, based upon the last message received. If the engine coolant temperature data or engine overheat indication request messages are missing for 5 seconds or longer, the IPC defaults the temperature gauge to the full hot position. Possible Sources Communication concern GWM concern PCM input concern IPC PINPOINT TEST B: A VIRTUAL GAUGE (AWD (ALL-WHEEL DRIVE) , TACHOMETER OR TEMPERATURE), IS INOPERATIVE B1 VERIFY THE IPC (INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER) IS SET TO DISPLAY THE GAUGE Ignition ON. NOTE: The IPC and message center navigation can be found in the Owner's Literature. Using the message center controls, make sure the IPC is set to display the gauge in question. Is the IPC set to display the gauge? Yes GO to B2 No The virtual gauge is operating correctly. The IPC was not set to display the gauge in question. B2 PERFORM THE IPC (INSTRUMENT PANEL CLUSTER) SELF-TEST Using a diagnostic scan tool, perform the IPC self-test. Check for recorded Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) from the IPC self-test. Are any Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) recorded? Yes REFER to DTC Chart: IPC in this section. No GO to B3 B3 PERFORM THE PCM (POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE) SELF-TEST Using a diagnostic scan tool, perform the PCM self-test. Check for recorded Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs). Are any Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) recorded? Yes Refer to the appropriate section in Group 303for the procedure. No GO to B4 B4 CHECK THE GWM (GATEWAY MODULE A) DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLE CODES (DTCS) Using a diagnostic scan tool, check the GWM Continuous Memory Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs). Are any Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) recorded? Yes REFER to: Communications Network (418-00 Module Communications Network, Diagnosis and Testing). No Click here to access Guided Routine (IPC). If you don't have immediate access to an electronic scanner DTC code reader, hopefully a local auto parts store or your local Ford dealer may offer that scanning service, but in the meantime, you can perhaps use Dealer Test Mode to see if the Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) is reporting any current or historical DTCs... Dealer Test Mode NOTE: The table lists the displays as they appear when navigating using the down arrow button. To enter the IPC engineering test mode or dealer test mode, begin with the ignition OFF. Press and hold the LH steering wheel switch OK button. Place the ignition ON and continue to hold the button for 5-8 seconds until the display indicates Test or Gauge Sweep. Press the up or down arrow buttons to navigate through each of the display windows. To exit the IPC dealer test mode, press and hold the OK button for 5-8 seconds or place the ignition in OFF. Each down arrow button press advances the viewing window to the next set of items. IPC Display Description Engineering Test Mode Use Right Up/Down to scroll screens Initial entry display into the dealer test mode. ANALOG GAUGE TEST Carries out the gauge sweep of the analog gauges. When the sweep (zero to maximum then return to zero) is complete, the actual data is displayed. TELLTALE AND COLOR TEST Illuminates all cluster microprocessor controlled LED telltales or indicators. Also displays a color palette of boxes below the title. PartNo: xxxx-xx Core: xxxx-xx Cal#1: xxxx-xx ECU S/W: xxxx-xx Displays the IPC part number information. Man Date: xxxxxx B&A Config Bytes xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx Displays the manufacturing information. Date in the format of YYMMDD. B&A configuration bytes DTC: HIST CURR xxxxxx x x xxxxxx x x Displays all of the Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) set (history and current Diagnostic Trouble Codes [DTCs]). An X in the HIST or CURR column means the DTC is active. Three Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) display on each screen. If more Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) are present, there will be additional screens listing them. If there are no Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTCs) in history or current, the display will only be the title row. Vehicle Speed: xxx.x km/h xxx.x MPH Tach: xxxx RPM NOTE: These are the filtered values used to drive the gauge positions, not the actual positions. Displays the digital representation of the speedometer gauge in mph and km/h. Inst Fuel: xxxx FLPM: xxxx.xx Displays the instant fuel level and filtered fuel level in percent. This is used for a single sender fuel level input. Inst Fuel1: xxxx FLPM: xxxx.xx Displays the instant fuel level and filtered fuel level in percent. This is used for the fuel pump assembly input on a dual sender fuel tank configuration. Inst Fuel2: xxxx FLPM: xxxx.xx Displays the instant fuel level and filtered fuel level in percent. This is used for the fuel level sensor input on a dual sender fuel tank configuration. DTE: Inst 01 Disp km xxx xxx xxx mi xxx xxx xxx Displays the values used for calculating the DTE function. RAFE RAFE_01 xxx.x xxx.x 1/100km xxx.x xxx.x MPG xxx.x xxx.x km/l Displays the running average fuel economy. The values are derived from the DTE function. State Val #ofVS Szero: xxxx xxxx Off: xxxx xxxx On: xxxx xxxx Displays the key ON initialization, key OFF reference, and zero speed reference fuel level values in fuel level for a single sender fuel level input. State Val #ofVS Szero1: xxxx xxxx Off: xxxx xxxx On: xxxx xxxx Displays the key ON initialization, key OFF reference, and zero speed reference fuel level values in fuel level for the fuel pump assembly input on a dual sender fuel tank configuration. State Val #ofVS Szero2: xxxx xxxx Off: xxxx xxxx On: xxxx xxxx Displays the key ON initialization, key OFF reference, and zero speed reference fuel level values in fuel level for the fuel level sensor input on a dual sender fuel tank configuration. Coolant Temp (°C): xxx Displays the digital representation of the coolant temperature gauge indication in degrees Celsius. Odo cnts: xx Trip A: xxxxx.x km Trip A: xxxxx.x mi Displays the values from the odometer count signal and the trip A statistics. Odo cnts: xx Trip B: xxxxx.x km Trip B: xxxxx.x mi Displays the values from the odometer count signal and the trip B statistics. Fuel cnts: xxx Fuel A: xxxxx.x l Fuel A: xxxxx.x g Displays the values of the fuel flow display signal from the PCM and the approximate fuel used for the trip stats A. Fuel cnts: xxx Fuel B: xxxxx.x l Fuel B: xxxxx.x g Displays the values of the fuel flow display signal from the PCM and the approximate fuel used for the trip stats B. Battery: xx.xV Compass: xx Last Chime: xx Displays the current battery level. Displays the compass direction. Displays the number of the last chime sounded. Dim Step: xx Dim Gauge: xxxxx Dim Pointer: xxxxx Displays the first screen of dimming information. Dim step is the dimming level. Dim gauge is the internal illumination number for the gauge backlighting (1 to 10,000). Dim pointer is the internal illumination number for the gauge pointer backlighting (1 to 10,000). Dim Step: xx Dim PRNDL: xxxxx Dim Display: xxxxx Displays the second screen of dimming information. Dim step is dimming level. Dim PRNDL is the internal illumination number for PRNDL backlighting (1 to 10,000). Dim display is the internal illumination number for the display backlighting (1 to 10,000). PDS: x LWS: x Park detect switch (0 = open/not park, 1 = closed/park). Engineering Test Mode Use Right Up/Down to scroll screens Repeats the test display cycle. Please report back here any DTCs that are revealed by a code scanner or Dealer Test Mode, and we'll provide additional guidance. Relevant procedures and wiring & connector information is attached below as PDF documents. Good luck! Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) - System Operation and Component Description - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE (ECT) SENSOR - Connector C1016 - Pin-Circuit Details - 2016 Edge.pdf ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE (ECT) SENSOR - Connector C1016 - Location - 2016 Edge.pdf POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) - Connector C1551E - Pin-Circuit Details - 2016 Edge.pdf POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) - Connector C1551E -Location - 2016 Edge.pdf POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM) - Removal and Installation - FOR LOCATION ILLUSTRATIONS - 2016 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Sensor to Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Wiring Diagram - 2016 Edge.pdf Edited October 30 by Haz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NelsonPM33 Posted November 4 Author Report Share Posted November 4 Haz, Firstly....sorry for the late reply...and thank you for this detailed procedure...quite complex to try and explain to the mechanic, but Ill try to do my best...to try and relay this info to him...once again thank you for ur time...really apprciate it...and hopefully we can sort this problem with my Ford... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted November 4 Report Share Posted November 4 @NelsonPM33: Just print the PDF documents, print this discussion, and then provide it all to your Mechanic, who's job it is to deal with the complexity of your Edge's issue. Good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NelsonPM33 Posted November 6 Author Report Share Posted November 6 Haz... Once again...thank you very much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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