Wubster100 Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 (edited) I have a 2021 Edge with standard cruise control. Has anyone successfully got adaptive cruise control with stop and go and lane centering to work on a 2019+ edge? I have read other posts about regular ACC but I can't seem to find too much information on lane centering. Edited June 4 by Wubster100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Detailed information on those driver assist systems from the 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual is attached below... Good luck! Adaptive Cruise Control - Overview - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Adaptive Cruise Control - System Operation and Component Description - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Collision Warning and Collision Avoidance System - Overview - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Collision Warning and Collision Avoidance System - System Operation and Component Description - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Lane Keeping System - Overview - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Lane Keeping System - System Operation and Component Description - 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 My 2017 Sport has ACC and Lane Centering, but the Lane Centering is not tied into or linked to the ACC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabangsta Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 35 minutes ago, 1004ron said: My 2017 Sport has ACC and Lane Centering, but the Lane Centering is not tied into or linked to the ACC. That would be Lane Keeping. It can alert or aid with steering wheel vibrations or very minimal torque input to try to keep in the lane. Lane Centering will actually provide enough torque to fully keep the vehicle centered (well, what it considers centered), they call it assist but it will decently follow curvy roads if the markings are detectable. I hate and enjoy it on my 2019. I don't like what it considers centered, and I like that it does help with fatigue on longer drivers (I frequently do 6-12 hour drives). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycrist Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Lane Centering, yea right except when there is a tar stripe down the road. I love fighting the automatic slow down sometimes when changing lanes, at least I am a left foot braker. (For some reason one can't heel and toe the way they have the pedals set) Lane Centering costed us a lot in our 1st. week. The lane centering wobbled the wheel, the wife jerked the car into the curb. No curb rash but, the rims were bent and we lost 2 new tires. $1K lost in the 1st. week! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I want to add ACC to my wifes 2019 SEL. The sales a*****e convinced us that the car came with ACC. We did not figure it out until the next day and they would not do anything to help us. There are long threads on the F150 forum about this. I have looked into it and I am sure it is possible, but there is a risk that it will not work. I cannot confirm the changes that would need to be made using Forscan for the Edge. Probably the same as the F150, but who knows. I do have a sheet that shows the difference in a 2019 Edge with and without ACC. The cost would be between $500 and $1,000. https://www.f150forum.com/f118/2019-adding-adaptive-cruise-454662/index8/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garycrist Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I read some posts and, I do not see why not. One thing I like sometimes, is when I put it in "stupid mode". Set it at a little over legal limit set the distance and then pull over in a slower lane. The car will automatically brake, but sometimes for no reason at all. You then become the NASCAR "accordion starter" unless one mashes the gas! GL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabangsta Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, johnmarkp said: I want to add ACC to my wifes 2019 SEL. The sales a*****e convinced us that the car came with ACC. We did not figure it out until the next day and they would not do anything to help us. There are long threads on the F150 forum about this. I have looked into it and I am sure it is possible, but there is a risk that it will not work. I cannot confirm the changes that would need to be made using Forscan for the Edge. Probably the same as the F150, but who knows. I do have a sheet that shows the difference in a 2019 Edge with and without ACC. The cost would be between $500 and $1,000. https://www.f150forum.com/f118/2019-adding-adaptive-cruise-454662/index8/ Not that you have a time machine and can go back and make sure the vehicle has it when you bought it, but Co-Pilot Assist+ with ACC, evasive steering, and navigation was $795 on my 2019. It was cheaper than the convenience package with alarm, hands free lift gate, remote start, garage door opener, and wireless charging pad (which was $835) But then there was an equipment group savings and a California package and wheel discount, -$1700 for a 201a ($2800), silly all weather floor mats ($125), Co-Pilot Assist ($795), Convenience Package ($835), pano roof ($1595) and machined dark pocket 18 inch wheels ($895) so not clear what was discounted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 15 Author Report Share Posted May 15 After further research, I believe I need the following parts: Cruise Control Module Radar, CCM Mount, CCM Wire Connector / wiring harness, misc. wire to run between IPMA and CCM, SCCM switch (probably optional), and an ABS/HCU module for ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 17 Author Report Share Posted May 17 On 4/25/2024 at 10:28 AM, Haz said: Detailed information on those driver assist systems from the 2022-2024 Edge Workshop Manual is attached below... Good luck! Are you able to provide the wiring diagrams for the CCM and IPMA? I am looking for the CCM and IPMA pinout. I am trying to figure out how the IPMA wire runs down to the bumper and where all of the connections are, and also where the CCM gets its power from. I don't know if my vehicle is prewired for a CCM, or if I will have to run a wire from the IPMA to the CCM. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Attached below and in an immediately following post are requested documents... Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Removal and Installation - 2019 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Removal and Installation - 2019 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Connector C9224 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Connector C9224 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) and Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Adaptive Cruise with Stop and Start - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Module Communications - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Power Distribution - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Grounds - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Connector C1582 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Connector C1582 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Power Distribution - 2019 Edge.pdf Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Grounds - 2019 Edge.pdf Auto Stop and Start - Wiring Diagram - 2019 Edge.pdf Cruise Control Module (CCM) - Ground G111 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Image Processing Module A (IPMA) - Ground G304 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C913 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C134 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 18 Report Share Posted May 18 Remaining documents... Good luck! Inline Connector - Connector C139 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C192 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C193 Location - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C193 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C192 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C139 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C134 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf Inline Connector - Connector C913 Pin-Circuit Details - 2019 Edge.pdf 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 18 Author Report Share Posted May 18 (edited) Thank you for all of the documents. It seems that Ford Escapes, Mavericks, and Broncos are running into a brake issue. Vehicles with factory adaptive cruise with stop and have an electronic brake booster which is able to provide greater breaking support, whereas vehicles without factory adaptive cruise use a traditional vacuum brake booster. I searched through my 2020 workshop manual, and I could not find anything about electronic brake boosters. From my 2020 WSM: On vehicles equipped with adaptive cruise control, the CCM monitors the area forward of the vehicle. When an object enters this area and closes the distance gap set by the driver, the CCM sends either an adaptive cruise control deceleration request or a collision avoidance deceleration request to the IPMA over a private LIN. The IPMA then sends the message to the ABS module over the HS-CAN2. When the deceleration request message is received, the ABS module activates the hydraulic pump motor and solenoid valves in the HCU to slow the vehicle down to maintain the distance gap set by the driver. Once the distance gap set by the driver is achieved, the CCM stops sending the deceleration request message and the ABS module deactivates the hydraulic pump motor and solenoid valves in the HCU. If the CCM determines the amount of braking provided by the ABS module is insufficient, the CCM sends a forward collision avoidance braking request message to the ABS module and warns the driver, both audibly and visually, through the use of the HUD. After receiving the braking request message, the ABS module waits for brake pedal input and applies maximum braking assist using the hydraulic pump motor and the HCU. I am unsure if the Edge needs an electronic brake booster for ACC. So far, the only difference I have found is in the ABS module. Vehicles with adaptive cruise control have "CADS3" on the ABS module, while vehicles without adaptive cruise control have "ACC SS" on the ABS module. Edited May 18 by Wubster100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 Replying to question about Brake Booster types installed on 2019-2024 Edge - Vacuum versus Electric. 2007 through 2024 Edge: Vacuum Brake Booster only, regardless of whether Cruise Control is conventional or adaptive. Brake Booster illustration from 2015-2024 Edge Workshop Manuals... Typical cross-generational Brake Booster component test descriptions... Per your 2020 Workshop Manual description, all Edge/MKX, and Nautilus (thru 2023) Adaptive Cruise Control systems utilize the ABS Module and Hydraulic Control Unit (HCU) to accomplish Adaptive Cruise braking. So, no, an Electric Brake Booster is not required for Adaptive Cruise Control on an Edge, MKX, or Nautilus (thru 2023). With that said, the 2024 Nautilus is equipped with an Electric Brake Booster which is utilized by its Adaptive Cruise Control system. From the 2024 Nautilus Workshop Manual... Placing your device cursor over underlined acronyms may yield a full-words description of the acronyms. Electric Brake Booster (EBB) Assembly The EBB is serviced as a single assembly and should NOT be disassembled. The EBB assembly contains the ABS module, solenoid valves, pressure sensor and hydraulic pump motor ( HCU ); the EBB also takes the place of the brake master cylinder and the vacuum booster. The ABS module is serviced as an assembly with the EBB . The ABS module is the ECU for the ABS and stability control systems. The module monitors all sensor inputs and all CAN messages relating to ABS and stability control, then directly controls the solenoid valves and the hydraulic pump motor in the EBB . When a new EBB assembly is installed, the ABS module must be programmed with the current vehicle configuration information. Electric Brake Booster (EBB) The cruise control deactivator switch is integrated in the EBB and opens when the brake pedal is applied and removes the ground signal from the PCM input circuit releasing the throttle and immediately deactivating the ACC system. Electric Brake Booster (EBB) - Isolated Component Illustration - 2024 Nautilus Workshop Manual Electric Brake Booster (EBB) - Installed Component View Showing Electrical Connectors - 2024 Nautilus Workshop Manual Electric Brake Booster (EBB) - Installed Component View Showing Brake Lines Attached - 2024 Nautilus Workshop Manual and... The ACC system has the capability for the driver to change from ACC to standard cruise control. The steering wheel switches are used to switch from the ACC system to standard cruise control system within the message center. For information on selecting the standard cruise control in the message center, refer to the Owner's Literature. Once the driver has selected the standard cruise control in the message center, the ACC indicator is replaced by the standard cruise control indicator. The vehicle no longer responds to lead vehicles or automatic braking. Upon the next ignition cycle, the vehicle defaults back to the ACC system. Good luck! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 On 4/25/2024 at 5:35 PM, garycrist said: Lane Centering, yea right except when there is a tar stripe down the road. I love fighting the automatic slow down sometimes when changing lanes, at least I am a left foot braker. (For some reason one can't heel and toe the way they have the pedals set) Lane Centering costed us a lot in our 1st. week. The lane centering wobbled the wheel, the wife jerked the car into the curb. No curb rash but, the rims were bent and we lost 2 new tires. $1K lost in the 1st. week! I have read somewhere that IPMA firmware upgrades have helped the camera follow lane markings better, and avoid tar stripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 1 hour ago, Haz said: 2007 through 2024 Edge: Vacuum Brake Booster only, regardless of whether Cruise Control is conventional or adaptive. ... Per your 2020 Workshop Manual description, all Edge/MKX, and Nautilus (thru 2023) Adaptive Cruise Control systems utilize the ABS Module and Hydraulic Control Unit (HCU) to accomplish Adaptive Cruise braking. So, no, an Electric Brake Booster is not required for Adaptive Cruise Control on an Edge, MKX, or Nautilus (thru 2023). With that said, the 2024 Nautilus is equipped with an Electric Brake Booster which is utilized by its Adaptive Cruise Control system. ... Good luck! Thank you for all of the information. It has been extremely helpful. From my research, (all non-hybrid) Escape, Bronco, and Maverick owners that tried to retrofit stop and go seemed to be reporting somewhat limited brake performance because they did not have an electric brake booster. This is great news, as it is one less part we need for ACC stop and go! I wonder why those other Fords needed electric brake boosters for better braking performance, but the Edge does not? With this new information, I don't see any more challenges in the way, and I believe that I have all of the information necessary to install ACC stop and go. I will start ordering parts and see what happens!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 So, as you prepare to move beyond researching Stop and Go ACC, to the next step of ordering parts and investing money to retrofit your current Edge... What is your plan for sourcing initial modules' software upgrades and eventual software updates, like the IPMA tar strip tweak you previously cited. Is there a Ford Modules bootleg software-sharing community out there, to serve that ongoing need? Ford says to their Dealers... SSM 51055 - Adding/Removing Features Using Programmable Parameters Due To Vehicle Modifications Ford and Lincoln vehicle owners may request modifications to their vehicle such as enabling daytime running lamps (DRL), adding navigation, changing tire/axle sizes, and/or adding trailer brake control modules. A list of programmable parameters that are available for alteration is shown in Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01A > Module Configuration. Parameters available for alteration will vary by model and model year. If the desired parameter is not listed in the right column of the Module Configuration and Parameter Chart, alteration of that parameter is not supported by Ford Motor Company. A list of supported parts that can be added to the vehicle is available at accessories.ford.com. Adding/removing accessories and/or programming vehicle features is not warrantable. Have you calculated Retrofitting versus Selling & Replacing costs, toward factory-installed Stop and Go ACC in a different Ford Edge driven by you? Good luck! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 I will be using FORScan to program the features and calibrate the new radar. I will most likely not do any firmware updates, as my lane keep assist has been doing a good job at recognizing markings. I have not calculated selling and purchasing another Edge with Stop and Go ACC. I plan on keeping my 2021 SEL until it does not make financial sense to repair. Hopefully it can last to 200k miles. I don’t want to go through a hassle of buying and selling vehicles. So far, I have been able to use FORScan to install puddle lights and OEM remote start. I drilled holes into my mirrors, installed cheap LEDs, wired the lights as if they were OEM, and enabled them using FORScan. I replaced my RTM and got a 5 button key fob (300mhz to 900mhz). For this ACC project, I will be sourcing used parts to save on cost. I will not be following the programmable parameters in SSM 51055. Instead, I will be installing ACC (along with lane centering, stop and go, evasive steering assist, upgraded AEB (IPMA + CCM as opposed to IPMA only), and I might even try speed sign recognition) as if it came from the factory. I can’t think of any other problems that I might run into. Hopefully everything will work. Once again, thanks for all of the helpful documentation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 I will be following your progress closely. From reading the F150 posts, I think there is one programming step that cannot be done with Forscan. It has to be done using Ford equipment. Did you find this in your searches? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim W. AZ Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 (edited) This is a fascinating thread. I would never take on a project this complex, these days, I'm more of an oil, filters, plugs and tires kind of guy. I may not be pulling transmissions on a 68 Dynamic 88 anymore, but I still like to know how stuff works and this thread was incredibly informative. I'm looking forward to a successful outcome. Edited May 20 by Tim W. AZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, johnmarkp said: I will be following your progress closely. From reading the F150 posts, I think there is one programming step that cannot be done with Forscan. It has to be done using Ford equipment. Did you find this in your searches? It seems that 2018 F-150 owners were having a FORScan issue programming ABS. This was a few years ago, so I am going to assume that the FORScan team has figured out the problem by now. Additionally, Fusion owners were able to replace their ABS module and get stop and go to work with FORScan. Comparing photos of the Edge and Fusion ABS modules, they look almost identical. I will have to try and find out for certain. If not, I will have to get a 2 day Motorcraft license. Edited May 20 by Wubster100 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 21 Report Share Posted May 21 Being able to do everything with Forscan would be great. I never thought to look in the Fusion forums. I'll take a look over there and get up to speed. One other part that will be needed is the lower grill. Fortunately it is pretty cheap. ~$60. Plus the radar mounting hardware. I will check our 2019 Edge and see if the Radar +/- twisted pair wires are attached to the camera in the mirror. Maybe Ford had the wires in all the wiring bundles. I would also be able to make the wiring harness additions if needed. I have all the tools in house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 (edited) I popped the IPMA cover off and luckily I have the 2 radar wires. I lifted it off with my hands on the part that is closest to the front. There are 4 clips as shown in the WSM. Hopefully the wires will continue down through all of the other connectors and into the bumper. I have tried to research all of the Ford forums that mention retrofitting ACC. I ordered a CCM and wire connector, they should be arriving soon. When they arrive I will try to install the radar and play around to see if I can get anything to work without replacing the ABS or SCCM. If we are able to replace the ABS module with FORScan, that would be nice. Do you have any information on the lower grill? What do we need it for? Edit: It looks like there is a cover in the center. What is the purpose of the cover? I wonder if the cover can be replicated by attaching a piece of plastic to the lower bumper? Edit: I would assume that we would just need plastic to cover the area so that no debris can hit the radar. Edited May 22 by Wubster100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubster100 Posted May 22 Author Report Share Posted May 22 There is another problem. The active grill shutters might get in the way of the radar. Once I remove my front grill, I will know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmarkp Posted May 22 Report Share Posted May 22 I have a 2019 ST with ACC and the shutters are not a problem. Getting a solid and adjustable mount without buying the lower grill might be an issue. But it is not an impossible task. Hopefully connector 193 is already there. Hopefully you can see if 192 has the needed wires when you have the bumper off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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