Justin Israelson Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 2013 Edge Ecoboost 4 cylinder. Where do I post/search for mechanical issues? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Israelson Posted March 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 Hi My son's 2013 is stalling at low speeds. It also has had some issues starting after fueling up. We brought it to the Honda dealer we bought it at, and, the only code they were able to get was for the active grille shutter. Is that something that would cause this? The only "shutters" I see appear to be free moving, like, airflow would cause them to open when going down the highway. They are on the passenger side. I'm assuming this has been addressed, before, but, I could not find the thread for this particular problem. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabangsta Posted March 8, 2023 Report Share Posted March 8, 2023 The symptoms, including the hard start after fueling, is a common issue with the purge valve or canister. It probably isn't related to the active shutters, which should be, as stated, active (electronically controlled to open and close in specific scenarios), and not just floppy, sounds like the control was deleted or broken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted March 10, 2023 Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) Welcome to the Forum, Justin! Hopefully, the Honda dealership is willing to address the issues you describe at no cost to you, if only they were informationally equipped to correct them. So, whether they or you are going to restore your son's Edge to smooth operation, the following information and documents should be helpful. If you have not already, you may want to review Stalling at red lights, anyone ever fixed this? about Forum member Carnye's 2013 2.0L EcoBoost Edge showing comparable symptoms. The following downloadable documents explain the Evaporative Emission system components, including the Canister Purge Valve and the Evaporative Emission Canister that dabangsta mentions... Document Download Links> Evaporative Emissions - Description and Operation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister Purge Valve — 2.0L Ecoboost - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Evaporative Emission Canister Vent Solenoid - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Fuel Vapor Tube Assembly - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Diagnostic Pinpoint Test HX - Evaporative Emission (EVAP) System and Monitor - 2013 Ford Gasoline PC-ED Manual.pdf The following information and downloadable documents from the 2013 Edge Workshop Manual relate to the Edge's Active Grille Shutter System... Active Grille Shutter System The active grille shutter system (when equipped) is comprised of the grille shutter assembly and the grille shutter actuator. The active grille shutter system is primarily used to maximize fuel economy by reducing aerodynamic drag on the vehicle. In addition, the system is used to control coolant temperature, HVAC system performance and exhaust emissions depending on the vehicle speed. The system is also used to shorten engine warm-up time, increasing engine efficiency and providing heat to the vehicle occupants in a timely manner. PCM inputs/outputs used for controlling the active grille shutter system are the: Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) sensor Intake Air Temperature (IAT) sensor A/C pressure transducer Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) sensor ABS module, messages sent over the High Speed Controller Area Network (HS-CAN) Engine cooling fan motor Engine oil temperature Grille Shutters The grille shutters are several "slats" or "blinds" connected to one another by a linkage system. One of the individual grille shutters is fixed to the grille shutter actuator. When the grille shutter actuator moves, it moves the attached shutter which causes the other linked shutters to move. The individual grille shutters are not available for service separately, they are serviced with the grille shutter assembly. Grille Shutter Actuator The grille shutter actuator is a smart motor which receives position requests from the PCM via a Local Interconnect Network (LIN) . One of the grille shutter blinds connects to the grille shutter actuator using a retainer. The grille shutter actuator can be serviced individually or as an entire assembly, which includes the grille shutters, grille shutter actuator, retainer and grille shutter housing. The grille shutter actuator positions the grille shutters based on commands received from the PCM. The full range of movement of the grille shutter actuator is a total of 90 degrees from fully closed to fully open. The actuator moves the grille shutters to 1 of 16 positions (approximately 6 degrees between positions) when requested by the PCM. Principles of Operation When the engine is turned off, the grille shutter actuator moves the grille shutters to the full open position. When the engine is started, a calibration of the grille shutter system occurs, which typically takes 15-20 seconds. The grille shutter system performs the calibration sequence by moving the actuator and shutters through their full 90 degree sweep to detect the end positions (open/close). The calibration sequence can begin in either direction, open or closed, and continues until it is successful or a fault is detected. It is possible for a long pause to occur between the 2 portions (open/close) of the calibration sequence. Calibration of the grille shutter system cannot be manually requested, it only occurs as determined by the grille shutter actuator. If certain faults are present (such as shutter blocked or actuator error) a recalibration is initiated in an attempt to resolve the concern. If the concern is not resolved after 3-4 attempts, a DTC is set in the PCM. Other faults also trigger a recalibration request, but not until a grille shutter DTC is set in the PCM. The Local Interconnect Network (LIN) supports bi-directional communication between the grille shutter actuator and PCM, allowing the grille shutter actuator to communicate position and fault information to the PCM. The PCM reports grille shutter system DTCs after the fault information is communicated by the grille shutter actuator for a predetermined amount of time. Any failures of the LIN for over 10 seconds continuously, results in the grille shutter actuator moving the grille shutters to the full open position. There is no indication to the driver that a fault with the grille shutter system is present or that a grille shutter system DTC is set in the PCM. Normal Operation The grille shutter actuator receives fused battery voltage from the Battery Junction Box (BJB) . When the engine is started, the actuator carries out a calibration test that can take up to 20 seconds to complete. During this calibration test the actuator moves the shutters through their complete range of motion from full open to full close. If the actuator cannot reach either position, cannot move at all, senses low voltage input or detects an internal short or open, the actuator sends a message to the PCM over a Local Interconnect Network (LIN) indicating a fault. After receiving a fault message for a predetermined amount of time, the PCM sets a DTC. Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical Grille shutter actuator Grille shutters Battery Junction Box (BJB) fuse 70 (10A) Grille shutter actuator Wiring, terminals or connectors Active Shutter Actuator Wiring Diagram Underhood Battery Junction Box Fuse 70 Location Document Download Links> Active Grille Shutter System - Description and Operation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Active Grille Shutter System - Diagnosis and Testing - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Grille Shutter Actuator - Wiring Diagram - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Grille Shutter Actuator - Connector C1651 Details - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Battery Junction Box - Fuse-Circuit Breaker-Relay Location Illustration - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Grille Shutter Assembly - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Grille Shutter Actuator - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Front Bumper Cover Assembly - Exploded View - 2013 Edge-MKX Workshop Manual.pdf Front Bumper Cover - Removal and Installation - 2013 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Good luck! 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Justin Israelson Posted March 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2023 Thank you Haz! This is a lot of useful information. Much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Israelson Posted April 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 I had recently posted that my son's Edge has been stalling. (2013 2.0 Ecoboost). I have been driving it, lately, and it wasn't having any issues until yesterday. I put about a half tank of fuel in, and, it wouldn't start. It continued to turn over, even when I wasn't turning the key. It was rumbling, like it wasn't getting enough fuel. It started after a few more turns, but, I had to give it a little gas. Today, my son was driving it, and, it stalled going slow into a turn. The little oil symbol came on, followed by a "Low engine oil pressure" warning. He plugged in the diagnostic tester, but, it didn't throw a code. Once it started, there were no more warning lights. Any help would be much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 With the described symptoms it's unlikely that there's no stored error codes. What are you using to read codes? I have found a good OBD2 interface with ForscanLite to be reliable. Also, keep it to one thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Israelson Posted April 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 I've had it in to 2 different mechanics who were unable to find any codes. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 43 minutes ago, Justin Israelson said: I've had it in to 2 different mechanics who were unable to find any codes. Thanks Any chance you can tell us what code readers they use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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