edgemaster Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Guys, I need to replace a headlight on my 2009 Edge LTD. The wife had an unfortunate encounter with a buzzard and the left headlight didn't survive it. I'm planning to replace the original ones with LED-equipped ones. Are there any issues with the wiring known? The new light are plug compatible. Is that good enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 You may find this site useful. https://www.instructables.com/How-To-Convert-Your-Headlight-Bulbs-to-LED/ I seen these new LED types online and they seem to be a real breakthrough. And Drive Bright has an excellent reputation. https://drivebright.com/shop/led-headlight-replacement-kit-new/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 Well, I need to replace the entire headlights, not just the bulbs and I am concerned that the wiring would support that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted November 1, 2022 Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 According to the owners manual, the low beam bulb is a H11 and the high beam uses a 9005 bulb. A H11 bulb is rated at 55 watts, or 55 watts ÷ 12 volts = 4.6 Amps. Both bulbs are fused at 15 Amps. (Fuse #23). 9005 is rated at 65 watts. 65 watts ÷ 12 volts = 5.4 Amps. Each bulb is fused at 10 Amps. (Fuse #7 & #8). Using the Drive Bright bulbs I posted above, they are rated at 45 watts. (As an example). So yes, the wiring would handle the LED bulbs. (However high intensity bulbs would almost certainly require a relay and additional direct wiring). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2022 Thanks for the details, very much appreciated. So, these headlights (https://www.ebay.com/itm/304487583413?fits=Year%3A2009%7CModel%3AEdge%7CMake%3AFord&_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20220310133107%26meid%3Da9a0b26ba0b14372a50a0d43e19c1968%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D371701026992%26itm%3D304487583413%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseWithPLXWebFitmentFilterConfirmFitSignal%26brand%3DSpec-D+Tuning&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A304487583413a9a0b26ba0b14372a50a0d43e19c1968%7Cenc%3AAQAHAAABIAzdIKOcP6rVYsexH8mCu6YYN0SdXxqICy66h220Th%252FC6c6aZpFIEmATXPImB6gOXUa%252FXvip3BRuztnBr5L4o8yl3taFAIknfwFrm0z3Y9VnDHGA1CHSifS8KnJuG8oa8c%252BHwhfecpb1dw%252FdQgPeSbsfwlikSFnsJdTz%252FshAYHas8zNNxjHyxVCniq2H73ldK%252BoVsFL%252Bbjj4FZWypjYWotzAny9hDqUR6%252F7hzGPi3WzNVXQybzxncI2earll562MhAL%252FSms9e24yXoCTNUsF2prvVG6EWli0AROahmaSa7tJgkSL%252BMWL0mpIv%252FyOoywLkrGJm4z2oUy99tmXZY7xr0GoyHEEizvlrNWuzp06bFABBbvp9ueFos4TehuHvAzBQw%253D%253D%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2047675&epid=27053854069) wouldn't create any problems with the wiring or the fuses, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 As those are HALOGEN, I'd say yes. Less than $250 for BOTH headlamp assemblies? Great price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Does anybody know what lumens the stock bulbs have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I just found out from the vendor of the above headlamp assemblies this: Low beam: 220,000 lumens Hi beam: 260,000 lumens Can that be true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 I questioned their liberal usage of the Zeros and they finally corrected the figures to 2200 and 2600 respectively. Still, I would be interested in learning what the stock lumen figures are. Apparently nobody knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) 2009 Ford Edge uses a 9005 bulb. A Sylvania 9005 Basic Halogen Headlight Bulb is rated at 1,700 lumens. State laws usually limit the output to between 2,000 lumens to 4,000 lumens. Friend (County) told me they don't get concerned unless the vehicle is throwing out too much glare. Then its usually written as a warning, subject to having it inspected at a later date. A smart ass will get a citation and court date. Edited November 6, 2022 by enigma-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 6, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 So, with 2200 and 2600 lumens, I'd be on the safe site. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted November 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2022 Guys, just received those new headlights that I had mentioned in an earlier post. They came with 2 resistors in case the blinker bulbs are LEDs. I'm planning to use the stock bulbs for the time being so I don't have to install those resistors, right? However, If I planned to install LED blinker bulbs, do I have to do it on all fours or can I mix? Do I need 4 resistors or just 1 per side? Another question: there are 2 pairs of white/black wires coming out of the unit, one pair on top, the other pair on the bottom. What are they for? I had contacted the seller but the support people don't seem to know what they're talking about (same gal that told me about 260000 lumens per bulb). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted December 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2022 I have received those headlights and I am somewhat confused about the electrical wiring. There is a red and black wire and two pairs of black/white wires, one pair at the bottom and the other pair at the top of the unit. Also there are 2 resistors in their heat sinks. Where do all the wires and the resistors go go? Thanks, Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted December 16, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Nobody out there who can tell me what that darn resistor is good for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 Standard incandescent bulbs draw (perhaps 3 amps, just guessing) and LEDs perhaps 1/10 that amount. The SJB monitors the current draw of the total bor both bulbs (front and rear) to determine the flash rate. It expects the rated draw of the combined bulbs. If its half or less it thinks one bulb is burned out and doubles the flash rate to tell you that one of the bulbs is burned out. With LED bulbs, the SJB will measure only a fraction of the expected current draw and hyper-flashes the turn signal. Adding a resistor in series increases the load for that bulb and the SJB is happy (thinking it's an incandescent bulb). They make turn signal LED bulbs with resistors built in. Plug and play. (Easier installation). Example (there are several offerers listed on Amazon). 3157 3057 3357 4157 Turn Signal White Yellow Amber Switchback Led Light Bulbs 22 SMD with Projector, for Standard Socket, Not CK, Pair of 2 https://a.co/d/dsqMKHX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004ron Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 (edited) Quote Adding a resistor in series increases the load for that bulb and the SJB is happy (thinking it's an incandescent bulb). Shouldn't that be "parallel" ? Not sure, but expect its possible on the Edge, on my wife's 2015 Mustang I disabled the hyperflash using Forscan. Edited December 17, 2022 by 1004ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 As I understand it, once disabled, it works but you won't be notified when a LED burns out. Guess its a price you have to pay. Wonder if it's possible to reprogram the bcm to accept LEDs in liew of incandescent? Seems possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted December 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 Guys, thanks for the input. Since I'm currently not replacing the turn signal bulbs I won't be needing the resistors at all, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted January 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 Guys, there are 2 connectors for the low and high beam. Can someone tell mw which is which? I'm trying to connect the new headlights and I'm getting conflicting explanations from the vendor. They can't even tell me what all the loose wires are good for. I may have to install the old headlights just to get the car going on short notice. It's all pretty frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 PDF download links for headlamp wiring diagram and electrical connector detail documents from 2009 Edge Workshop Manual... Headlamp Wiring Diagram - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf LOW BEAM LAMP, LEFT FRONT Connector C1111 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf HIGH BEAM LAMP, LEFT FRONT Connector C1020 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf LOW BEAM LAMP, RIGHT FRONT Connector C1112 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf HIGH BEAM LAMP, RIGHT FRONT Connector C1040 Details - 2009 Edge Workshop Manual.pdf Good luck! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted January 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 Haz, thanks a lot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted January 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2023 Finally installed the headlights, everything works fine. Thanks for all the input, greatly appreciated. Ed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted February 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 I was too fast with my praise. The wife drives very seldom in the dark so I just found out that there seems to be a problem with the high beam. I can turn it on but it doesn't turn off. Only when I turn off the lights completely and back on, the high beam is off. Next time I use it stays on again. Can someone explain what is going on here? Thanks, Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted February 13, 2023 Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Sounds like a relay isn't getting the signal to drop out. Perhaps if you could post a schematic of what wiring you changed. We're assuming that everything worked properly before the modification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgemaster Posted February 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2023 Yes, it did work before with the original Ford headlights. I did not change the wiring for the high beam at all, just connected it to the car wiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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