Group 65 Battery in 2nd Gen Possible?

[1004ron]

25 minutes ago, Wubster100 said:

I currently have the original H6 AGM battery. A few months ago, auto start stop worked for a few days after I drove for about 8 hours on the highway.

All the more reason to test it.

[my2k2zx2]

We put an H7 in our 2016 back in 2021.  The tray is just big enough for the H7 and does have a mounting hole for the retaining bracket.

Edited November 26 by my2k2zx2

[flymore]

I put in the recommended battery from Interstate. Besides resetting the BMS is there any other changes I need to make?

 

Thanks.

 

https://costco.interstatebatteries.com/results?key=auto&Program=100500&ZipCode=75254&l=75254&Country=United States&year=2338750&make=2339667&model=2339683&engine=2339689&option=2339690

 

Your Battery Information

Item Number	1700454
Group Size	90 (T5)
CCA	600
CA	750
Voltage	12
Ah	56
Length	9 1/2
Width	6 7/8
Height	6 3/4
Weight	32.1
Termination Code	TOP
Wet/Dry	W

[Wubster100]

If you did not upgrade to a larger battery size or different battery chemistry, then there are no changes to be made except for resetting the BMS.

[flymore]

No, I didn't upgrade the battery just went with the recommended one from the Interstate website for my 2018 Edge 3.5L.

 

Thanks. Just wanted to be sure.

 

 

[1004ron]

Today the windshield installer left my lights ON in Aux Power mode for ages to the point that it cut out - I then put my 2.5 Amps charger on it and a while later when he wanted to connect the Autel device to in Aux Power mode, this time with the lights and AC unit off, it still cut out quicker than it should, but of course it didn't have much time to charge since the first event.

 

I started looking at a replacement and decided I'd go with an AGM H6 this time, but after getting it fully charged my battery tester says that its still 100% healthy so I'll hold off on the replacement for now.

 

This is what I'll go with next time:

ACDelco Gold Automotive AGM Batteries 88864541 $167.00

 

[omar302]

On 11/16/2021 at 5:49 PM, omar302 said:

 

CCA matches the Motorcraft H7 (ABD "OE" as you stated), but RC is closer to the Motorcraft BXT-48H6-610.

 

Given that this battery is a direct replacement to the stock F-150 (standard 3.5L) which uses the Motorcraft BXT-48H6-610, I'd go "0C" or "0D".

 

The first F-150 with the standard V6 I found on eBay I just checked has "0D".

 

@1004ron

I had done the same for my Edge since installing a locally made H6 battery. However, in ForScan there is a PID to monitor battery state of charge, and after a few weeks it would not read correctly, be less than 80% most of the time, ~55-65%. I had attributed this to bad battery quality. 

 

Recently I installed a new battery, same brand/size H6, and again after a few days same issue with the battery state of charge, less than 80%. I then checked with ForScan module configuration, the "Easy Mode" and found that the battery type was listed as "Incorrect value or not configured". Found out that for some reason, the ABD values "0C" & "0D" show this result. 

So I tried the battery type just after the default one (Varta 70Ah 600CCA H6 Case), which is "13" in the ABD value, and not included in the battery type list in the F-150 ABD sheet). Couple of days later the battery state of charge got around 80% as it should be. 

 

 

 

 

[1004ron]

Thanks @omar302

 

This morning when I connected my laptop to change the battery config as you suggested above, and it was taking me longer to get Forscan to communicate with the OBDLink MX+ and with that I got the battery low warning, and that's after it was on the tender overnight.

 

Decided its time for a new one, so the quickest was to buy one from Walmart - I got the H6 AGM Platinum for $178.00 - it gets good reviews online.

The Interstate H6 bought from Costco lasted 3 years and 1 month, just out of warranty.

 

With the new battery installed I first changed the type as above and then did a BMS reset.

 

Note that the new AGM is 3kg (6.6 lb) heavier than the previous one.

 

I paid the $12 for a years subscription to Forscan - feel it well worth it and the developers most certainly deserve the support.

 

 

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Edited December 13 by 1004ron

[1004ron]

On 12/13/2024 at 6:14 PM, omar302 said:

 

@1004ron

I had done the same for my Edge since installing a locally made H6 battery. However, in ForScan there is a PID to monitor battery state of charge, and after a few weeks it would not read correctly, be less than 80% most of the time, ~55-65%. I had attributed this to bad battery quality.

After a couple of trips with the new battery mine is showing 96%

 

 

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Edited Monday at 08:45 PM by 1004ron

[omar302]

6 hours ago, 1004ron said:

After a couple of trips with the new battery mine is showing 97%

 

Probably because it is still new (fully charged). It should eventually go to 80% and then stay around that since that's the set charge limit. 

[dabangsta]

17 hours ago, omar302 said:

 

Probably because it is still new (fully charged). It should eventually go to 80% and then stay around that since that's the set charge limit. 

Are we talking about an iPhone or an Edge? It charges at a much higher rate than 12.8v, and will be 14.xxv until any little load is put on it.

 

80% of an AGM battery is 12.25v

[Cerberus]

46 minutes ago, dabangsta said:

 

 

Edited December 15 by Cerberus

[1004ron]

omar302

 

Could you tell me exactly which PID value you were looking at for the battery state of charge, and if this is only available in Forscan full version or also on Forscan Lite.

 

I used my iPhone and Forscan Lite to access what I think was the battery charge state.

 

Also keen to know if there's any specific BMS selection better suited to the AGM.

 

I won't be able to check it for two weeks - its parked at the airport while I'm in Korea.

Got a fantastic rental, a G80 Genesis - fantastic luxury car.

 

 

[omar302]

On 12/15/2024 at 3:25 AM, dabangsta said:

Are we talking about an iPhone or an Edge? It charges at a much higher rate than 12.8v, and will be 14.xxv until any little load is put on it.

 

80% of an AGM battery is 12.25v

 

The Edge, the model sold by the car company "Ford Motor Company". At least since 2011 Ford has used this strategy, the main benefit is to reduce fuel consumption by reducing load from the alternator when charging is not required. 

This can even be seen by monitoring the voltage output of the alternator. 

 

15 hours ago, 1004ron said:

omar302

 

Could you tell me exactly which PID value you were looking at for the battery state of charge, and if this is only available in Forscan full version or also on Forscan Lite.

 

I used my iPhone and Forscan Lite to access what I think was the battery charge state.

 

Also keen to know if there's any specific BMS selection better suited to the AGM.

 

I won't be able to check it for two weeks - its parked at the airport while I'm in Korea.

Got a fantastic rental, a G80 Genesis - fantastic luxury car.

 

 

 

I am using ForScan lite (Android). The PID is "BdyCM.BAT_ST_CHRG", see screenshot attached. 

 

As for AGM selection, seeing how I probably was wrong before, I wouldn't follow the F150 sheet. However, since an Edge with auto-start stop does have an AGM from the factory, maybe use the ABD from that?

Checking VINs of Edges online, a 2016 Edge SE FWD that has Auto-Start stop has "01" in the battery type. So does a 2023 Edge ST that has Auto-Start stop. (As per the the F150 sheet this correspondences to BAGM-48H6-760 70Ah 760CCA, which is the stock Edge battery with Auto-Start stop).

 

[1004ron]

Thanks omar302

 

Checking the screenshot on my phone, it looks like I had the correct PID, now to check this again in two weeks when I return from my trip abroad.