Engine wants to stall - Code P1450 & P144A - Evap Purge Valve

[1004ron]

Adding a fuel additive to the tank will do no harm, but don't expect it to resolve the evap issue.

 

Why couldn't they have read the codes and replaced the evap valve?

 

 

[shumax]

Because I didn't have it there.  I had my Explorer there for the tranny flush....

[Boneybob20]

On 7/13/2021 at 4:59 PM, shumax said:

Because I didn't have it there.  I had my Explorer there for the tranny flush....

Hey shumax, I just had similar issue on my 2017 Ford Edge Sport. I had idling issues after filling up the fuel tank. It would go away after using some fuel up. It had been doing this for around 6 months until I finally got a code to pop up. It was not fixed under warranty but cost around $300 to diagnose and replace a purge valve.

[THE_BOLT]

I had the purge valve and canister replaced...still having the problem after fill ups and I never top the tank off

[Cerberus]

On 4/2/2021 at 5:27 PM, Cerberus said:

Mine does this, only immediately after fueling..

I suspect it is a valve coking issue causing poorly balanced fueling that the computer compensates for, but it approaches a new tank of fuel as a variable (rightfully so) and so its confused for a little while.

This is an educated guess, but based on one piece of evidence; On someone else's vehicle, After an induction clean up, it did not happen after fueling..

 

 

Just to bring this to closure, i had the evap purge valve/solenoid replaced under drivetrain warranty at the dealership and the problem was cured. I did have an extended OBD code stored which indicated an evap error.

Come to find out, the valve is right on top of the forward cylinder bank, So i would have done it myself and saved the visit with those ass clowns.. but thats a different story for another day..

[ben senise]

3 hours ago, Cerberus said:

Just to bring this to closure, i had the evap purge valve/solenoid replaced under drivetrain warranty at the dealership and the problem was cured. I did have an extended OBD code stored which indicated an evap error.

Come to find out, the valve is right on top of the forward cylinder bank, So i would have done it myself and saved the visit with those ass clowns.. but thats a different story for another day..

 

^^^^^^ this is the kind of info that makes a forum like this one invaluable. hopefully this will be of great use to someone in the future.

thanks for posting this update Cerberus. ?

[shumax]

Great news!  Would you happen to have the part numbers from the invoice?  I have the extended warranty, but with a $100 deductible.  If close/below that figure, I'm just going to do it myself.  Not worth the hassle with the stealership.  Will try cleaning it, too, per the video posted.

Thanks!

[1004ron]

This is the latest version part number:

 

Part Number: GL3Z9B325B

 

https://parts.lakelandford.com/p/75109745/GL3Z9B325B.html

 

Non-OEM

https://www.amazon.com/Support-Bracket-Purge-Valve-2015-2017/dp/B08PDD9TNW/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=GL3Z9B325B&qid=1633295220&s=grocery&sr=1-1

 

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by 1004ron

[Cerberus]

1 hour ago, shumax said:

Great news!  Would you happen to have the part numbers from the invoice?  I have the extended warranty, but with a $100 deductible.  If close/below that figure, I'm just going to do it myself.  Not worth the hassle with the stealership.  Will try cleaning it, too, per the video posted.

Thanks!

the info that 1004ron posted is correct, and matches the part # on my invoice

 

https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-fuel-line-bracket-gl3z9b325b

 

[shumax]

Thanks, all.  Only curious - that part points to the 3.0 engine.  Maybe I'm missing something...?

[1004ron]

1 hour ago, shumax said:

 Will try cleaning it, too, per the video posted.

Thanks!

What video?

 

I tried that, and still get the stutter at idle with a full tank.

I've not cleared the code, and will only do that after my Dealership has scanned it as part of the warranty check.

 

I'll soon have a warranty replacement from my Dealership and will report back once its installed.

 

Not sure why the sales sites are reporting that the part number is for a 3.0L

Edited October 3, 2021 by 1004ron

[Cerberus]

39 minutes ago, shumax said:

Thanks, all.  Only curious - that part points to the 3.0 engine.  Maybe I'm missing something...?

Fair question, I have no idea! 

But that is the number on my invoice.. but interestingly, the part number on the part itself is slightly different 

this site for some reason is failing to upload the picture of the part# from the part..................... ?

the part number on the tag is GL34 9B325 DB

and it lays in the valley between the intake manifold and the forward cylinder bank valve cover

 

EDIT: but that part# offer no results when searched... 

Edited October 3, 2021 by Cerberus

[1004ron]

@Cerberus Just checked mine and it has the same part number.

 

If I suck on the valve with no power on it seems like its shut pretty tight, but the problem could be that it's not opening correctly.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by 1004ron

[1004ron]

If you're out of warranty you could buy the valve on its own for $16 and use a heat gun to install it on the existing pipe.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224023795357

Edited October 3, 2021 by 1004ron

[1004ron]

Found out that my Ford Premium Care has a $100 deductible, so bought a new replacement, installed and cleared the codes.

 

I'll be gassing up late tomorrow after work and will see if I still have the hesitation at idle immediately after filling up.

 

 

[THE_BOLT]

I've went through the steps replacing the purge valve and had the canister replaced....the problem still exists after putting gas in the tank.   I'm starting to believe the problem exists in the filler neck....possibly a valve in the caplets system that's not venting correctly 

[1004ron]

1 hour ago, THE_BOLT said:

I've went through the steps replacing the purge valve and had the canister replaced....the problem still exists after putting gas in the tank.   I'm starting to believe the problem exists in the filler neck....possibly a valve in the caplets system that's not venting correctly 

Yesterday the service manager told me that the most common cause of this code is the evap valve that I replaced, but they have seen it caused by a faulty device near the gas tank (forget what he called it).

[shumax]

What's confusing to me is that the packaging that 1004Ron shows indicates a part number of gl37 9b325 b.  But, the actual part shows gl34 9b325 db.  So, yea - which is it?   HAHA...

[1004ron]

I can't explain the part numbers, but can confirm the new part is working - I've only filled up once and no spluttering at idle, and just scanned it and confirm no codes.

 

It had got progressively worse and would skip a beat when idling whenever the tank was above 3/4.

 

If I ever need this part again, I'll buy only the Bosch valve.

Edited October 18, 2021 by 1004ron

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

sometimes the p/n on the box and on the part are not in sync. have seen it happen a few times over the years.  ford doesnt want to pay to update the packaging i guess.  the p/n on the part should always be the updated one tho.

 

[Tmaf901]

Hello again,

 

Just recently I had a check engine light pop up with code P144A. A quick search in this forum has one person mentioning this code under another code P1450 where the solution for P1450 was to replace the purge valve.

 

It wasn't really clear to me if the two codes are related to one-another, and if replacing the purge valve will fix my check engine code.

 

If somebody can give me some insight. My original purge valve model is : GL34 9B325 DA

 

Vehicle Reference: 2017 Ford Edge Sport 2.7L ECO 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Tmaf901

[Tmaf901]

On 6/14/2021 at 5:37 AM, 1004ron said:

Got a new OBDlink MX+ and it confirms that there is an evap code.

 

My dealership service manager says that when I bring it in for the brake hose recall, they'll check and confirm the code and replace the evap valve.

I think this issue is related to those check codes me and you posted on the other thread? P144A for me. My vehicle has also had this stutter issue right after fill-up. 38000 miles on it. Go to the dealer on Monday, will reply to one of the threads when I have their diagnosis.

 

Ill add my check code has went off since, but I am sure its still in the system.

 

 

EDIT:

 

Ive went to the dealer, dealer confirmed P144A code. Dealer suggested replacing that purge valve as stated above, quoted me $185 for the part and 30 minutes if labor. I asked if it would be covered under warranty and sadly he couldn't make it happen. Ive decided Ill buy an aftermarket part for $50-60 and replace it myself, dealership said that was probably a good idea as well.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Tmaf901

[Tmaf901]

Just wanted to update everybody about my issue, I ended up ordering an aftermarket purge valve to replace the old one. I just put it on today and had my first fill up. Idle seems to be smooth, no rough idling. Im confident this has fixed my issues.

 

The aftermarket part I used specs:

 

Duralast PV967 (V21278) (https://www.autozone.com/emission-control-and-exhaust/canister-purge-valve/p/duralast-canister-purge-valve-pv967/591684_0_0?cmpid=LIA:US:EN:AD:NL:1000000:ENM:8362629075&gclid=Cj0KCQiAhMOMBhDhARIsAPVml-GteHZzyPO1AY6HqpvKcC8IfISkt9MCA66sPspWSpCPoI2XRi-tNUgaAi6iEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

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Posted July 13, 2021

I was at the dealer having the tranny fluid flushed on my 2019 Explorer Sport and brought this issue up.

They finished my sentence by saying it was likely the canister or the purge valve.  The manager, who is a family friend, urged me to try SeaFoam in the gas tank.  I asked him if that's ok on the turbo 2.7 as I thought we weren't supposed to do that as it could damage the impellers on the turbos?  He said he runs it in his turbo Fusion and has no issues.  I do trust him as he is a family friend, but thought I'd better run that past some folks here.  Maybe that's just on the induction side and going through the fuel is fine?

 

They did say that if that doesn't fix it, bring it in and they would see if there was a code.  If there was a code, they could replace it under warranty.

Shumax

sorry ... did not see the date on this post before i replied ...

 

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thru the fuel is fine, very mild compared to an induction service which directly hits the carbon in the manifold and backs of intake valves.  wouldnt worry about this way of trying to clean stuff out. there ARE pro induction services of course from BG and Valvoline if you are interested in them down the road.

 

you can have them borescope the valves if you would like to know the facts on how your sport is doing.  but without a catchcan, it is almost  a certainty that there will likely be carbon buildup (typically soft variety) - typical symptom is mainly rough idling, MAYbe a small drop in mpg, and a small amount of knock.

Edited March 23, 2022 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W

[F0RDM0M]

On 10/2/2021 at 8:36 AM, Cerberus said:

Just to bring this to closure, i had the evap purge valve/solenoid replaced under drivetrain warranty at the dealership and the problem was cured. I did have an extended OBD code stored which indicated an evap error.

Come to find out, the valve is right on top of the forward cylinder bank, So i would have done it myself and saved the visit with those ass clowns.. but thats a different story for another day..

 

On 10/6/2021 at 6:08 PM, 1004ron said:

Found out that my Ford Premium Care has a $100 deductible, so bought a new replacement, installed and cleared the codes.

 

I'll be gassing up late tomorrow after work and will see if I still have the hesitation at idle immediately after filling up.

 

 

 

Just out of curiosity, Cerberus said it was covered under drivetrain warranty (is that the same thing as the powertrain 5year/60k mile warranty?).  1004ron indicated he had to use his Ford Premium Care deductible (is that because you were outside your drivetrain/powertrain warranty?  or did your dealership claim it wasn't covered under the warranty?)

 

My 2018 Ford Edge Sport is having the same issues -- throwing P144A and idling issues as well as a faint fuel smell.  Dealership can't see me until April 14th.  Was going to attempt to drop it off on Friday night and leave it all day Saturday to see if they could get to it this weekend.  It only has around 47K miles ....so I just want to make sure if it should be covered under a warranty I push for that vs using my $100 dollar deductible.

 

Thanks.

Edited March 29, 2022 by 1004ron
No need to quote everything