WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 I wonder if MT tested with 91 or that is an official Ford number. Anything short of 93 usually is an incremental step up in performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ray Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Guessing here (or to lazy to look it up) , but would that not be the same trans as is used with the the MX(?) lincoln that has the same higher HP engine.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Yes it’s the same tranny as the MKX with the same engine. If/when they release updated software they’ll issue a TSB and you can take it to the dealer, tell them it’s not shifting right and they’ll apply the new software under warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 I believe this tranny was developed with the 2.7L in mind so it should be capable of handling the torque with no problem, just like the 6F55 in the old sport. I don’t think it will handle more than that though since I don’t think they plan to put the 3.0L or 3.5L turbo engines in transverse applications going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Ray Posted October 24, 2018 Report Share Posted October 24, 2018 Yes it’s the same tranny as the MKX with the same engine. See above about being too lazy, sorry. Are the performance spec on the MKX, in spite of the extra sound deadening, as "bad" as the new ST ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 See above about being too lazy, sorry. Are the performance spec on the MKX, in spite of the extra sound deadening, as "bad" as the new ST ? I don’t remember any bad reviews but the Edge ST gets its own unique tuning from Ford Performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Stupid question - why would a 2015 Edge sport be faster than a 2016? Aren't they the same car? Premium gas makes that big of a difference in performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimcrim Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Yeah I wonder that as well, even before the Edge ST was announced the 2015 sport was always noted as being noticeably faster than 2016/2017. I have no idea why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildisco Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 FWD vs AWD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perblue Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 They are both sports so they are both AWD. I would bet the timing gets really retarded in the top end with 87 octane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) They are both sports so they are both AWD. I would bet the timing gets really retarded in the top end with 87 octane. The 2015 Sport was available as FWD. Starting with the 2016 all Sports are AWD. Edited October 25, 2018 by akirby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz118 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 The 2015 Sport was available as FWD only. Starting with the 2016 all Sports are AWD. The 2015 Edge Sport was available in both AWD and FWD. I had a 2015 Edge Sport AWD. The question is why the ST is slower or does not handle any better on paper. I feel my ST handles better than my 2015 Sport though. I would love to know what Ford Performance thinks of these reviews. It seems the power and suspensions changes made no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 The 2015 Edge Sport was available in both AWD and FWD. I had a 2015 Edge Sport AWD. The question is why the ST is slower or does not handle any better on paper. I feel my ST handles better than my 2015 Sport though. I would love to know what Ford Performance thinks of these reviews. It seems the power and suspensions changes made no difference. The 2nd question was why the 2015 sport was faster than the 2016 sport. I’m sure the problem with the ST is the transmission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz118 Posted October 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 The 2nd question was why the 2015 sport was faster than the 2016 sport. I’m sure the problem with the ST is the transmission. You don't know that for fact. The ST feels no slower than my 2015 Sport. Do you know anyone at Ford Performance who wouldn't mind jumping into this discussion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 You don't know that for fact. The ST feels no slower than my 2015 Sport. Do you know anyone at Ford Performance who wouldn't mind jumping into this discussion? I know some of the reviewers said it was very slow off the line and slow to upshift. What else would it be? And no, I don’t have any Ford Performance connections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perblue Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Likely is. I'm also betting motortrend was testing a preproduction model still. It is unclear though as no one else mentions driving a figure 8 and also how are they the only ones releasing test numbers? If these numbers were substantiated by a production model I would think you would see more articles on it and heavier criticism of ford over it. My ST wont arrive until late January or February I have time to see what happens and hopefully for a few tweaks to happen.. Kind of annoyed Canada gets no brake option though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 Wouldn't hesitate to talk to Livernois, find out if they have the inside track on the ST yet. If they will have mods/updates for the ST soon, you probably don't even need to worry about waiting for Ford to figure it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I just realized that these test drives were done at over 5000 feet above sea level. Even with forced induction you’re going to be down some HP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dacford Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 On the issue of the new 8 speed trans take a look at this news story on the history and development: ( The ST has a higher torque rating 8 speed developed in house from the old 6 speed or is this all speculation???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dacford Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 ( http://www.autonews.com/article/20180423/OEM01/180429934/ford-gm-9-speed-transmission ) For some reason the link stated above was dropped; trust it is here now!!?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perblue Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 I just realized that these test drives were done at over 5000 feet above sea level. Even with forced induction you’re going to be down some HP. That is debatable. One interesting thing I found briefly discussed on a forum is that elevation can increase turbo lag. That could explain what reviewers experienced. https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?619553-Power-loss-at-altitude-with-a-Turbocharged-engine/page2&s=5f5e8180a813dcefef25ed2a7027c9c2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) Thinner air, less oxygen ... seems a recipe for less power to me, regardless of forced induction or not. We are literally talking 1+ second differences in the quarter mile compared to sea level. Turbo lag could contribute to that, sure, but Ford's turbos at least on the transverse engines are pretty small and quick to begin with. LandRover Jaguar's patent to address lag due to altitude https://patents.google.com/patent/US9874159B2/en?oq=9874159 Edited October 26, 2018 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 There is no way you can go to 5000 ft with the same engine tuning and boost levels and NOT see a reduction in power. Less oxygen = less power. FI engines do better than NA engines for sure but there is still a loss. Turbo lag also makes sense. Yet another fail by Ford’s marketing dept choosing that location. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 So you are saying the ST was tested at 5000 ft and the 2015 Sport was tested at sea level - the explanation why the 2015 Sport performed so well vs. the ST? I wish all the new ST owners the best, but for me, I would wait until these performance bugs are worked out - that's what you are paying for. I may be a little bias, but I am glad I am holding on to my 2015 Sport, especially since it only has 14K miles on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 26, 2018 Report Share Posted October 26, 2018 So you are saying the ST was tested at 5000 ft and the 2015 Sport was tested at sea level - the explanation why the 2015 Sport performed so well vs. the ST? I wish all the new ST owners the best, but for me, I would wait until these performance bugs are worked out - that's what you are paying for. I may be a little bias, but I am glad I am holding on to my 2015 Sport, especially since it only has 14K miles on it. Is your 2015 FWD or AWD? I wasn’t comparing it to the 2015 specifically, I was addressing the complaints from some of the testers about it being sluggish and not as fast as they expected it to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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