roots57 Posted December 26, 2017 Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 Stumbled across this today. Good info to see how and what they look for, and how they attempt to identify and document your performance mods. Anyone see this before? Its good to know this stuff if you are modifying a factory warrantied vehicle. https://ford.oemdtc.com/GSB/G0000128.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vega Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 (edited) Stumbled across this today. Good info to see how and what they look for, and how they attempt to identify and document your performance mods. Anyone see this before? Its good to know this stuff if you are modifying a factory warrantied vehicle. https://ford.oemdtc.com/GSB/G0000128.pdf Wow, anything is potentially grounds for denial of a claim. Just as bad as an insurance company when they lose the bet. That's why I wait until all warranties are expired before I fiddle. Thanks roots57 Edited December 27, 2017 by vega Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Wow, anything is potentially grounds for denial of a claim. Just as bad as an insurance company when they lose the bet. That's why I wait until all warranties are expired before I fiddle. Thanks roots57 I haven’t heard of Ford denying claims for silly reasons or technicalities. It’s there to protect them from folks who legitimately abuse their vehicles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd92 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I posted this on the F-150 forums. I didn't think it was of much interest here, as there seems to be almost no interest in tuning Edge's A few Sport owners, and tunes for the 2.0 barely exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots57 Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 The only one that kinda surprised me was that if you have an aftermarket exhaust, like the MRT axle-back system and one of your turbos goes out, there's a good chance they will deny the warranty claim. The rationale is that it alters the back pressure, which can over spin your turbo. Not sure how much truth there is to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Here is a copy of the full document. Note how they can tell if the vehicle has ever has a tune. G0000128.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots57 Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 I saw that one way they check for evidence of engine re-calibration (tuning) is to compare the ignition counter to what should be consistent with the cars mileage/age. I'm assuming that each time you flash the PCM with a custom tune, or return it to the stock tune, it resets the ignition counter. Maybe there is a way to spoof the ignition counter and set it to a specific number? Maybe as part of the tune itself, or using FORScan? That way you could generally keep it consistent with what your car should have for an ignition count, regardless of how recently it was flashed. I guess it would be pretty obvious evidence of an aftermarket tune if your car has 15k miles on it and the ignition counter is only at 25. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildisco Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Seems stupid to base it off ignition counter. I know that it resets when you unplug the battery. I think that my OBDLink app has an option for Ignition Counter, i don't recall seeing it in FORScan,but i haven't found/fiddled with all the features of FORScan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots57 Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Seems stupid to base it off ignition counter. I know that it resets when you unplug the battery. I think that my OBDLink app has an option for Ignition Counter, i don't recall seeing it in FORScan,but i haven't found/fiddled with all the features of FORScan. I doubt they could base a warranty denial solely on a discrepancy in the ignition counter, it looks like they just use this as one potential indicator that, coupled with some other things, could be used to determine aftermarket tuning was done. That was one question I had, does it reset with battery disconnect or not. If so, its a pretty easy argument to say it wasn't from flashing an aftermarket tune, but from doing something simple like changing a bulb, or installing a dash cam. Neither are something disconnecting the battery is even necessary for, but at least its a plausible answer you could have on the ready, in case they challenge you on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 I don’t think it resets with a battery swap. There could be two different counters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lildisco Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Mine reset after i replaced the battery after my wife left the headlights on all night according to my OBDLink app, BUT i would expect Ford to have the ability to dig deeper into the ECU than a $80 adapter & app. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Wow, anything is potentially grounds for denial of a claim. Just as bad as an insurance company when they lose the bet. That's why I wait until all warranties are expired before I fiddle. Thanks roots57 why not risk it though? Something may break but you still get covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Seems stupid to base it off ignition counter. I know that it resets when you unplug the battery. I think that my OBDLink app has an option for Ignition Counter, i don't recall seeing it in FORScan,but i haven't found/fiddled with all the features of FORScan. FORScan, will show you ignition cycles since PCM flash, miles driven since PCM flash, it will also show you majority of your soft codes that normal odb wont pick up. which when you flash a tune, everything loses connections and throws a soft code. I always go in after I flash and clear those out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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