snmjim Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 Looking down the road logistically... Special K & I are working with BNR for R&D to come up with better performing bolt on turbos... BNR has many years of ecoboost turbo development and is willing to take this on... However they require a donation of one from each bank. Pricing & availability will come after the R&D process... Watch out Bishop you won't know what hit you...3 N a group from 300 yds... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James.s.bishop Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 (edited) Looking down the road logistically... Special K & I are working with BNR for R&D to come up with better performing bolt on turbos... BNR has many years of ecoboost turbo development and is willing to take this on... However they require a donation of one from each bank. Pricing & availability will come after the R&D process... Watch out Bishop you won't know what hit you...3 N a group from 300 yds... Oh @#$! is getting real now. Getting called out by name too. I will be ready for a turbo upgrade after the intercooler, turboback exhaust, cold air intake, and motor mount upgrades lol. Edited January 30, 2018 by PrinzII 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Turbocharger Part Number: FT4Z-6K682-F Browse more in Turbo Charger Positions: Right Other Names: Turbocharger Assembly Replaces: FT4Z-6K682-A Description: Continental. Fusion. Edge. MKX. 2.7l. 3.0L. Right. $576.22 $383.76 ADD TO CART Turbocharger Part Number: FT4Z-6K682-G Browse more in Turbo Charger Positions: Left Other Names: Turbocharger Assembly Replaces: FT4Z-6K682-B, FT4Z-6K682-E Description: Continental. Fusion. Edge. MKX. 2.7l. Left. 3.0L. $575.12 $383.03 ADD TO CART 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Found a pair of 2016 Edge Sport Turbos with 10k for $300, couldn't pass that up, now off to the MOD shop... Way too many out there totaling these nice rides but it makes great pickings for us... :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Look out! Big power gains coming your way. This project of yours is gunna make some serious Horse Power !!!! Once the new turbos and IC are installed a new tune will be in order. snmjim leading the way and showing us how it's done. Thank you . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Looks like the Edge Sport has enough power from the factory, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted February 11, 2018 Report Share Posted February 11, 2018 Found a pair of 2016 Edge Sport Turbos with 10k for $300, couldn't pass that up, now off to the MOD shop... Way too many out there totaling these nice rides but it makes great pickings for us... :happy feet: :happy feet: :happy feet: One of the things that happen when you make boost is increased pressure and that makes horsepower and HP makes more pressure. More pressure equals more heat. On cars that are naturally aspirated then converted to a turbo or a blower the rings often fail, this is because the extra heat makes the rings expand to much. In other words the ring gap was to small to start and they were designed for a naturally aspirated engine. The rings overlap when they expanded causing them to fail. Now our Edge Sports are already turbo cars so the rings are gapped to accommodate this expansion and can handle a small increase in boost. I have not heard of any Livernois or Unleashed tuned cars rings failing. But if you make the intended boost and horse power you spoke of in our private message you might want to ask your tuner about this. The type of rings and what they are made of is very important and I am sure that Ford put in the correct ones for our boosted engines. The most common type for boosted engines are Dykes-style rings on gas ported Pistons. I wonder if that is what we have and how much boost they can take. Guess you will find out… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted February 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Calling all research strong members to assist us with confirming the following: - Pistons are gas ported (Ford p/n FT4Z6108A) - Rings are Dykes style (Ford p/n FT4Z6148A) The sooner a response the better for all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Ecoboost pistons are typically oil cooled, they have jets built into the pistons for that very purpose. I am sure the FSM will specify that for the Gen 2 Sport as well. A sample article from Full Race on the 2.0EB https://www.full-race.com/articles/inside-the-4-cylinder-ecoboost-2-liter/ and the F150 3.5EB https://www.full-race.com/articles/inside-the-ecoboost-f-150/ As to piston rings, that is a bit more eclectic data, Livernois and/or Full Race would definitely know the answer to that. IDK whether piston/ring design varies between the F150 & the Edge Sport. They tend to make the F150 components stouter than in the transverse counterparts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) I found this and it looks like our 2.7 ecoboost has a lot in common with diesel engines. Not only the block but the pistons as well. This is new technology and surpasses the OG Gas ported pistons and Dykes rings that are still in use today on boosted engines. From what I can tell the 2.7 Ecoboost is built super strong Ford might have some high horse power plans for the future for there is room to grow. WWWPerfA_ZNOW found same info at same time Ford’s 10.0:1 Compression Ratio EcoBoost piston design uses High-Temperature Aluminum alloy combined with 2 steel cast-in upper ring supports. Previously found on high performance diesel engines, these steel supports are recessed below the piston top and act as the upper ringlands. They provide rigidity across the piston and allow the low tension rings to reliably handle long-term turbo boost. Piston top shape designed for efficient combustion with direct injector and controlled flame propagation across the cylinder. Low friction coatings are used on the piston skirt to reduce wear and friction on the cylinder walls. Piston cooling “oil squirter” jets spray oil on the underside of the piston to keep it cool and strong. “Direct -Injection Bowl” Piston top shape is designed for efficient combustion with direct injector and controlled flame propagation across the cylinder The linerless cylinder block is compacted graphite iron (CGI), Ford's first application of this material in a gasoline engine. Proven on the latest generation diesels and some racing engines, CGI is a high-strength material with excellent heat transfer properties. Compared with grey iron, the CGI cylinder block offers approximately 75% higher tensile strength, 45% greater stiffness and roughly double the fatigue strength, with excellent dimensional stability, durability, and NVH damping characteristics. Ford also used CGI in the 6.7-L Power Stroke V8 diesel (which influenced the design of the 2.7-L's block, offset I-beam connecting rods, reinforced-plastic oil pan, and pistons) Forged steel “I-beam” connecting rods reliably transmit high torque from piston to crank without distortion or bending. Forged steel crankshaft is made to withstand tremendous amounts of force Cast in support ribs provide the forged crank strength and rigidity throughout the engine block. Edited February 12, 2018 by Xtra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted February 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) Thnx for the AWESOME Info & fast turn around guys (WWWPerfa_ZNOW & Xtra), that definitely helps to keep the ball rolling... Now the last research hold up, aside from fabrication & modification. http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/23870-2016-ford-edge-sport-awd-powertrain-limitations/ In case the link breaks...it's the research request I posed under the topic: "2016 Ford Edge Sport AWD Powertrain Limitations" Hopefully you'll knock this one out of the park as well... :clapping: Edited February 12, 2018 by snmjim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 The link does not work for me and I cant find the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 Good news folks! Looks like 500whp is possible with the prototype turbskis in production. Here is the chat. 22psi to redline is screaming, especially with a high volumetric efficiency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted February 12, 2018 Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/23870-2016-ford-edge-sport-awd-powertrain-limitations/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snmjim Posted February 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2018 The link does not work for me and I cant find the thread. Try now...;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtra Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 snmjim, Here is an item you might be interested in. This Banks Water-Methanol system lets you run a 100 octane tune with 91 pump gas. It cools the charge and helps prevent knocks thereby letting you run more advance. One option is you don’t have to use a bulky tank, the windshield washer reservoir can be converted to hold the juice. You do give up having a windshield washer, it is a trade off. The Power Blend mix runs about $8 a gal and the Straight Shot system costs $699. The cool thing about this system is the microprocessor that maps the mix delivery to the engine. It is not an on / off all or nothing switch or a stepped system, it works on a curve that gives the perfect amount you need at any RPM / load. Right now they are not available as they are working on an upgraded processor/ controller and they did not tell me when it would be available. More info here : http://shop.bankspower.com/c-51-products-water-methanol-injection.html#!make%3DFORD%7C%7Cyear%3D2016 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special_K Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 snmjim, Here is an item you might be interested in. This Banks Water-Methanol system lets you run a 100 octane tune with 91 pump gas. It cools the charge and helps prevent knocks thereby letting you run more advance. One option is you don’t have to use a bulky tank, the windshield washer reservoir can be converted to hold the juice. You do give up having a windshield washer, it is a trade off. The Power Blend mix runs about $8 a gal and the Straight Shot system costs $699. The cool thing about this system is the microprocessor that maps the mix delivery to the engine. It is not an on / off all or nothing switch or a stepped system, it works on a curve that gives the perfect amount you need at any RPM / load. Right now they are not available as they are working on an upgraded processor/ controller and they did not tell me when it would be available. More info here : http://shop.bankspower.com/c-51-products-water-methanol-injection.html#!make%3DFORD%7C%7Cyear%3D2016 BANKS STRAIGHT SHOT WATER-METHANOL INJECTION.jpg BANKS POWER BLEND.jpg So I love to use meth as an AUX fuel but not rely on it, so what we are going to do is tune to 87, 93, and e30(I think we can push it with the stock fueling) with about a 3% duty cycle spare incase its cold or something of the sort. once we have a reliable tune and work out all the kinks, we will possibly in the future run meth. However I fully see the stock fueling being able to push the power far enough where the ptu will the limiting factor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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