goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) 2012 Edge w/ 3.5L engine. Changed the oil and drove it a couple of miles yesterday the checked fill level and it was fine. I checked the driveway this morning and there was no oil at all under where the car was parked. My wife was driving to work this morning and after about 15 miles she has told me the "check oil" message is coming on and the Edge kept cutting off. She will have a friend at work check the oil and I will put the results on here, but I'm wondering what else I need to look at. Edited May 22, 2017 by goslats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Ok...fellow at work checked oil level and thought it may be 1/2 qt low. Wife said the car would shake like it needed a tune-up and then cut off. and it had the 'Low Oil Pressure' msg. Anybody seen this before? And is the system designed to automatically shut off with the "Low Oil Pressure" msg? Edited May 22, 2017 by goslats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 You let the oil drain back for 15 min after engine shutoff and then checked? If there had been no physical symptoms, I would have attributed the message to erroneous programming in the cluster, there is a TSB out for that. You used 5W20 oil, right, not 5W30 or 10W30 (yes, people have done that before). Another problem that is common is double-gasketing in case the old oil filter gasket gets left behind. Check the EOP switch for leaks also, tho the issue started after the OC, it would seem to be related to either the oil or the filter. http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/TSb/DownloadPdf?id=176724 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I did do 10W30. Yes did let it rest for 15 minutes before checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I did do 10W30. Yes did let it rest for 15 minutes before checking. That's not the correct oil. You need 5W20 (or whatever the owner's manual says - pretty sure it's 5W20). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Ok...I did do 10W30 and the book recommends 5W20. Would that cause the symptoms I described, and would it be ok to drive it 20 miles to get it home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Ford recommends 10W30 for Middle East Edge/MKX, so it should not give him a problem. I would suspect that the low oil pressure is the symptom not the cause. Due to the engine cutting, combined with the low oil level (1/2 quart as mentioned by OP), it is causing the oil pressure to be low & get the message on the display. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Something else that may or may not be related is that lately when we ill the gas tank it can start and be rough and die..or we kill it and start again with no problem. It has only happened when we start it after filling the tank......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Good point Omar302...The oil thing may not be the cause. I'm starting to wonder about a fuel filter. She ran it a couple of blocks at lunch time and it died. started it and made it back to work. She let it idle about 10 minutes and no problem. Any thoughts anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Purge valve/canister? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Not familiar with that akirby. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefduane Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 PerfA, how would the engine know its been filled with 10w-30 and not 5w-20? Is there a sensor in the car that can detect differences in the viscosity index? And while the spec is 5w-20 would running 10w-30 for 3-5k milez cause significant damage? I wouldn't do it regularly (I run 5w-20 Mobil-1 and a M1 filter) but methinks 10w-30 could not be that damaging in the short term? Could be wrong, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Do you regularly "top-off" the tank when you fill it or do you stop putting gas in when the pump shuts off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Stop when pump shuts off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 Im looking into the purge canister now. Would a bad valve cause the engine to shut off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chipster Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) IMO A fuel related problem would cause that symptom and oil being 1/2 qt low would not. Edited May 22, 2017 by Chipster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 My vague understanding of the purge system is that it will command the valve open and thus expect that amount of fuel to come into the engine, so it might compensate by reducing the demand from the injectors. If the purge valve was not functioning, that fuel wouldn't be there but the injectors would still shut off, so that would cause the hesitations/stalls. But usually that will throw a check engine light or code. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goslats Posted May 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Does anybody know where the purge valve is on the 2012 Edge? I've been searching but can't pin it down. Searching the internet that is....the Edge is not here yet. Ok, nevermind found a good video showing just where it is. Edited May 22, 2017 by goslats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Same place it is on previous model years, on the firewall. Follow macbwt's video on his channel to see I would suggest you change back to 5W20 or 5W30 at the most. No reason really to tinker with Ford's recommendations in the United States. 10W30 is thicker than 5Wxx at ambient, most problems will manifest at startup in hard/rough starts though if the ambient is too low. Thicker oil does not flow as easily, and takes more time to build up oil pressure. And as you may know, 90% of wear happens at startup. Anyway, I do not want to oversimplify the understanding of how this works, so I would refer you to a great series of articles on, yes, BobIsTheOilGuy It is WELL worth the time to go through. https://bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/ I will say that 10Wxx oils have better shear properties than their 5Wxx counterparts. But that is another discussion. If the purge valve replacement fixes all the issues being felt as of now, you might want to experiment with the 10W30 (i.e., leave it in there), and see how it works out for you. Orlando in spring/summer should have decent ambient temps at cold startup where 10W30 is ok-ish. My main concern then would be how the variable timing system copes with the 10W30. Edited May 22, 2017 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 22, 2017 Report Share Posted May 22, 2017 I've heard that thicker oil can interfere with the VVT system. Probably not a big deal but I would switch back to 5W20 just to be safe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I would suspect either the canister purge solenoid as Akirby pointed out, or the throttle body. The oil low light is coming on because the enginge is stalling (and losing oil pressure). Probably not related the oil change, but you need to follow Ford's recommendations to maintain your warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Purge valve is the issue. The Check oil light will come on when the engine dies and the key is on. Just a glitch in the programing that can be updated. Change the purge valve. Only takes a few minutes and you should be running good as new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage52 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Good point Omar302...The oil thing may not be the cause. I'm starting to wonder about a fuel filter. She ran it a couple of blocks at lunch time and it died. started it and made it back to work. She let it idle about 10 minutes and no problem. Any thoughts anybody? Ford Edges don't have traditional fuel filters, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefduane Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 If by 'traditional' you mean the canister kind mounted along the frame rail, then yes, Edges do not have a traditional filter. It is integral to the fuel pump which is in the fuel tank itself. I think you have to drop the tank to get to it. Someone correct me on that if a tank drop is not necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 If by 'traditional' you mean the canister kind mounted along the frame rail, then yes, Edges do not have a traditional filter. It is integral to the fuel pump which is in the fuel tank itself. I think you have to drop the tank to get to it. Someone correct me on that if a tank drop is not necessary. I believe you are correct. I do not know about the 2015+ MY years, but I would not think Ford would change this system after so many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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