Winter Tires

[oskar27]

Last December I got from a Ford dealer a set of winter tires (18” mags and tires) for my 2016 Edge Titanium but due to a misunderstanding the TPMS valves were not installed. The tires are Champiro IcePro SUV, 245/60R18 105T. Not very happy without the TPMS but I have 2 options to consider

 

Installing the TPMS valves on the above tires will cost me approx. CAD$450.00 + tax (TPMS valves cost $CAD60.00 each)

 

From my previous 2013 Edge Limited I do have a set of winter tires (mags and tires) with the TPMS valves already installed and they only have about 12000 km. However they are 17” mags and the tires are BFGoodrich 235/65R17 108S.

 

The 17” mags do not fit my 2016 Edge and so some suggested it will be less expensive to get a set of 17” steel rims and install the 17” tires and TPMS valves on the steel rims. I don’t know the cost of a set of steel rims yet

 

Reading on the web https://www.wheel-size.com/size/ford/edge/2016/ I see that the minimum tire size for 2016 Edge is 18” so to me my 2013 Edge 17” tires will not fit however friends tell me that’s not a problem

 

My questions: Are 17” steel rims and tires suitable for a 2016 Edge and would the TPMS valves from a 2013 Edge work on a 2016 Edge?

 

[macbwt]

I did not know 17 inch wheels were even an option on the Gen 1.5 Edge. Though 18in was the smallest wheels.

 

Just buy a less expensive set of 18 inch wheels and then have the tpms installed when they mount the tires. Then you have your winter wheels.

[ONEDGE16]

have you considered just removing the TPMS from the 2013 -17" and install them on the 2016 - 18"?

[jmr061]

13 TPMS won't work on a 17...15-17 utilize different TPMS

[oskar27]

Thanks guys, somehow I had a feeling the 2013 Edge TPMS would not work on the 2016. Now its confirmed

[NYT]

TPMS is a cash grab. The world worked fine when people had to check their tire pressure 1-2 times a year. Two sets of wheels for summer and winter is a good investment.

[Burrcold]

TPMS is a cash grab. The world worked fine when people had to check their tire pressure 1-2 times a year. Two sets of wheels for summer and winter is a good investment.

I don't agree. For those of us who understand cars it seems like a redundant technology. However, for the vast majority (my wife included) would have been driving around on unsafe under inflated tires if it weren't for me checking them. Now she gets the low pressure warning and it freaks her out enough to go get them topped up or looked at for a leak. If it saves lives, no matter how few, I don't see it as a cash grab. People said the same thing about ABS brakes when they first came out...

[akirby]

Not a cash grab. It was mandated by the govt for the scenario Burrcold described. This just worked for my daughter when she had a slow leak. Without it she would have kept driving until the rim and tire was ruined and she may have had an accident.

 

My only issue is it doesn't trigger until it's 25% low. I think it should trigger at 10% - 15%.

[enigma-2]

Believe it was enacted as an additional method to become more fuel efficient. A small loss of air uses slightly more fuel.

Wish the statute had mandated a visual readout of the actual pressure for all four tires. Does now for many cars, but not all cars and few of the earlier models. Been nice if it did trigger at 10%.

[akirby]

I thought it came about as a result of the Firestone/Explorer fiasco where underinflated tires combined with a tire defect caused blowouts.

[akirby]

The sad part is that Ford had the individual tire pressure data for several years, they just didn't tell the driver.

[NYT]

Mandated? Seems like an expensive feature to be on entry cars.

[Burrcold]

Mandated? Seems like an expensive feature to be on entry cars.

Entry cars?? Because something doesn't have a luxury tag on it doesn't make it entry.

[NYT]

Sorry, my point was everyone has to add TPMS to all new models now... even a Nissan Micra?

[enigma-2]

I thought it came about as a result of the Firestone/Explorer fiasco where underinflated tires combined with a tire defect caused blowouts.

I remember reading about the fuel aspect years ago, but I think your right about the Firestone (Eagle wasn't it) tire problem. Forgot all about that, lot of people were killed because of low tire pressure. Caused a big hullabaloo in congress.

 

And yes, it applies to all vehicles (under 10,000 GVWR if I remember correctly).

[akirby]

Federal mandate - ALL passenger cars.

[Ray Heath Jr]

but I think your right about the Firestone (Eagle wasn't it) tire problem.

Nope, Eagle is a Goodyear. It was Firestone ATX, ATX II, and Wilderness AT's. I had the Wilderness AT's on my Ranger that were part of the recall. I ran them for 50K, and got brand new Bridgestone Dueler AT's. Both sets were great tires.

[1STSFG]

Late to the party, but still here.

 

While it may not be a cash grab, it fits perfectly into the common sense departure arriving in stupidity costing people lives/money. And then big brother steps in.

 

TPSM are a joke, or a convenience for people to lazy to put a gauge on their tires periodically. For a century people got along without them.

 

I think those involved in this "devolution" should all get a participation trophy and another hand out.

[oskar27]

I don’t agree brother, TPMS is a convenience and a safety for many and although I agree people for centuries got along fine without TPMS in todays fast pace world not too many of us has the time to check tires pressure like we used to do.

 

It’s like the smart phones, Internet, smart TV’s and so on, people got along fine for centuries without these “conveniences” but today who will look in the yellow pages for a name? It’s called progress regardless if we like it or not.

 

Just my opinion

[1STSFG]

Fast pace world? You make it what it is. So those single parent children that raise themselves and have a hand out and expectation because things are to fast paced? And how about the "anxiety time outs"? That part of that fast paced thing too? Like all these kids now in BT. If they get to stressed they have a red card to fly. That's going to serve them and their comrades real well under fire. Maybe we should just hand the keys over to the Russian's and Chinese and go fully subservient right now?

 

I respect you're opinion. But it sounds like you're striking for a participation trophy as well.

 

 

I know I'm over the top. But my perspective and opinion is from decades of reality at the top of the food chain. If "you" don't keep an eye on where came from and get to comfortable, "you" lose sight of reality. And sure as shit it will eventually come up behind you and bite you in the ass.

 

 

We don't need tire pressure monitors in our cars. Period. Let your smart phone add an ap to handle it.

[enigma-2]

TPSM is hardly an unnecessary joke.

 

Been used in cars since the mid 1980's, it came to the states because of the Firestone Recall (which killed or maimed hundreds of drivers, do to bad tire design which suddenly falled tragedly at highway speeds when the air pressure was a low. Had these people maintained their air pressure they would have lived).

 

Almost no drivers check the air in their tires. They also don't check their fluids, or clean the windows, or clear the snow off the car either. People are lazy. (And not just in the states either :-)

 

They trust their mechanics to do it. (And half of them are idiots. My mother used to take her Honda to the dealer for service. They would always pump the tires to the psi rating on the sidewall of the tire. I would go over to her house afterwards and back it back down to the correct pressure; critical in winter where over inflated tires will go into a skid easier and wander on dry payment. Anyway, I finally went over to Honda and talked to the idiot serice manager. Turns out, he was the cause, telling all his mechanics to do this. I finally contacted Honda Mtr Co and they called the dealer. Manager was let go).

 

True, we got along without it for many years. And in hindsight it cost tens of thousands of lives. And millions upon millions of barrels of oil. (A Car will lose about 0.2% for each 1 psince of pressure loss).

 

And it's not just a cash grab. It's a law created by Congress to save lives, to save oil, and to aid controllability under wet conditions.

 

My only regret is congress didn't go far enough. I wish they had manditated tire-by-tire pressure readout on the instrument cluster for all cars standard. I have to monitor my tire pressure via my Android phone.

 

Nice thing to think about is, in the near future tires won't even need air. Believe you can even buy them today.

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Edited September 23, 2017 by enigma-2

[1STSFG]

Tag you as another big government individual needing or sympathizing for those incapable or just plain to lazy to do what is their own responsibility. I would rather see all that money go into advancing electric engines so we can rely less on those petroleum products you mentioned, and breathing cleaner air.

The thought process is totally upsidedown. Smh.......accountability has sadly left the building.

[enigma-2]

Tag you as another big government individual needing or sympathizing for those incapable or just plain to lazy to do what is their own responsibility.

Yup. That's me, a "big government individual" that favors automotive safety such as: standards in lighting, tires, glazing, seating, steering, gas tanks, rollover protection, controls and displays, transmission controls, defroster performance, braking systems, rearview and side mirtor (remember how much anger there was over requiring side mirrors?), hood latch requirements, anti-theft systems, brake fluids, power operated windows and moonroof's, accelerator controls, warning devices, ESC systems, tire pressure monitoring, Occupant protection in interior impact, head restraints for passenger vehicles, impact protection for the driver from the steering control systems, steering control rearward displacement systems, door locks (faulty switches don't apply, sadly), seat belts and belt anchors, child restraint systems, side impact protection, exterior protection requirements, roof crush resistance, windshield zone intrusion, rear impact protection, child restraint anchorage systems, ejection mitigation, fuel system integrity, flammability of interior materials, interior trunk release, and dozens of other "big government" requirements governing such things as school bus safety in several areas and other types of over-the-road vehicles.

 

Seat belts, remember how much anger there was over putting those completely unnecessary, extra cost, p.i.t.a. belts that only got in the way and did not serve any purpose at all? So what if they saved lives, we didn't need them, did we? We drove for decades without them. "Big government" interference again.

 

BTW, tire pressure monitoring came from Europe, not the US. Only required in US when it was clear that it could save lives. When "big government" did a study on this, they determined that it would cost the consumer a whopping $8.63 (net) per car (much of the cost is returned by keeping tires at or near the proper pressure would allow the driver to drive linger on the same tires and fuel savings. 2001 dollars). Of the two alternates required, it would probably have been better had "big government" required alternative one, which required the tire to incorporate a pump to refill the tire when it got low (they had this when the FMVSS 138 wad originally written), but it's more expensive.

 

Anyways, you got me, I'm a "big government" beliver. Good I am as it's saved my life in a accidient, I had years ago. .... Have you ever been in an accidient? If so, you can thank "big government" for allowing you to walk away away rather then being sent to the morgue.

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

It is true though that we are ever more reliant on warning bells and dings, and ever more relaxed on personal vigilance. Human beings, by nature, will tend to avoid "work" when they can. This is why the world is moving towards more automated vehicles, and eventually fully automated. As it is, driving is hardly fun anymore with all the traffic, so you make do People talking on cell phones, weaving in their lanes, following too close, overloading their vehicles, all the things you are taught NOT to do in driver's ed, are now routine on the streets. Why SMH, this is why.

[1STSFG]

Congress didn't go far enough. Like I said. Big government. If I choose to not wear a seat belt it's my choice. I've been around six accidents in fifty plus years. One driving. Not once was I wearing a belt. The only time I wear one is racing. I won't blame anyone but myself if I ever pay the price. And I won't be looking for an attorneys phone number to cash a check. If you're that mentally challenged to need to be mandated to make a personal choice you should be sterilized.