Advice with light

[remsleep]

I have Ford Edge SEL FWD 2015 from last months

I find out very not bright light when driving in darkness

Can you recommended good HID kit for change light myself

and trusted web where to buy

Thank you very much

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

Contact Dan at DriveBright.com, if his website doesn't specify 2015 Edge products. Another option is LED lighting from vLEDs.com.

 

Do you have OEM halogens right now?

 

Headlamp high beam. 9005LL 55
Headlamp low beam. H11LL 55
High-intensity discharge headlamps. D3S HID

[remsleep]

Thank you

I have H11 original but not very bright

My son car with similar H 11 much more bright and not even HID

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

Hmmm. Could be the headlight alignment is off? Do the lenses look clear or cloudy when the lights are on? From pg 290 of the manual (ADJUSTING THE HEADLAMPS):

 

ADJUSTING THE HEADLAMPS
The headlamps on your vehicle are properly aimed at the assembly plant.
If your vehicle has been in an accident, an authorized dealer should
check the alignment of your headlamps.

 

Vertical Aim Adjustment
1. Park the vehicle directly in front of a wall or screen on a level surface,
approximately 25 feet (7.6 meters) away.
• (1) 8 feet (2.4 meters)
• (2) Center height of lamp to ground
• (3) 25 feet (7.6 meters)
• (4) Horizontal reference line
2. Measure the height of the headlamp bulb center from the ground and
mark an 8 foot (2.4 meter) horizontal reference line on the vertical wall
or screen at this height.
3. Turn on the low beam headlamps to illuminate the wall or screen and
open the hood.
To see a clearer light pattern for adjusting, you may want to block the
light from one headlamp while adjusting the other.

For Vehicles with Halogen Headlamps:
On the wall or screen you will
observe a flat zone of high intensity
light located at the top of the right
hand portion of the beam pattern.
If the top edge of the high intensity
light zone is not at the horizontal
reference line, the headlamp will
need to be adjusted.

[dave80]

http://www.diodedynamics.com/store/

 

Lots of guys from ford explorer forum used those.

[rwf78155]

Dan at daytimebritelights has the best there is !

www.daytimebrightlites.com

Edited December 4, 2015 by rwf78155

[TheWizard]

If you don't want to make modifications like HID or LED then you could replace the H11 bulbs with H9 bulbs to get about 50% more brightness (1350 lumens to 2100 lumens). The tradeoff is a somewhat shorter bulb life but not so much that it would be a problem (I know people who got over six years out of H9 bulbs).

[omar302]

TheWizard, +1

 

I did the same mod to my old Taurus. The difference was noticeable. Brighter & whiter light, though their life was about 12-18 months for me. Keep a spare in the vehicle.

[enigma-2]

If you don't want to make modifications like HID or LED then you could replace the H11 bulbs with H9 bulbs to get about 50% more brightness (1350 lumens to 2100 lumens). The tradeoff is a somewhat shorter bulb life but not so much that it would be a problem (I know people who got over six years out of H9 bulbs).

As the H9 doesn't have a blacked out tip, wouldn't it cause more glare for oncoming traffic?

[omar302]

@engma-2,

 

I didn't notice that there was additional glare in the Taurus, the headlight already had a cover inside it that covered the bulb. From the outside you couldn't see the bulb.

 

For the Edge (2011+), since they have projector headlights, don't think it matters. Also, some Fords with projectors came from the factory with 9005 bulbs that also doesn't have the blacked out tip.

[TheWizard]

That is correct... in a projector lamp, the lack of a blacked out tip is actually an advantage because of the way the lens on the front focuses the light.

 

In a reflector housing, the lack of capping won't cause any problems with the light pattern since the light source (the filament) is still in the same position and orientation but it could cause the appearance of excessive brightness or glare because of the direct light in addition to the original reflected light.

[enigma-2]

Interesting. How would a H9 work in an 09 MKX? (Wouldn't want to throw glare into oncoming traffic ).

[omar302]

enigma-2, in my opinion you should be fine since the MKX has projectors for the low beams.

[remsleep]

So far no

Luck I bought kit from zenox deport with cunbus

Try install myself no luck still problem with blink light and computer

Back to aftermarket. Car customize shop they try with same result

Becareful with to zenox deport if try install and not work can't return

[TheWizard]

I'm afraid I'm not following your comment well... you installed an aftermarket HID headlight kit but they blink? I've never seen that. We're not talking about turn signals and hyper-flashing are we? Or headlights that won't turn on reliably? Can you describe the symptoms in more detail for us?

Edited December 2, 2015 by TheWizard

[remsleep]

Headlight low bean after turn on stop work or one side keep light another stop and turn off start again. Light fllinking

All another light fine

I bought kit with canbus system and try directly follow installation guide

 

Just low bean headlight

Mechanic said relay created constantly strange sound

[TheWizard]

Usually when one side of an HID system doesn't turn on reliably, a relay harness kit will solve the problem. The issue is commonly caused by marginal power feed through the stock wiring harness. You mention a relay so you may already have this type of harness kit in which case you should replace the relay that is making the odd noise. However, I suspect that the mechanic was actually referring to the HID ballast when he said "relay". If so, adding the proper relay harness kit may resolve both the lighting issue and the noise or you may have to replace the ballast on that side.

[Brad Luczak]

As the H9 doesn't have a blacked out tip, wouldn't it cause more glare for oncoming traffic?

Unfortunately the majority of amateur persons buying and or installing aftermarket headlights never think about it or just don't care. I suppose whats a head to head collision when you can save a few bucks right? As someone with high light sensitivity I can really attest to how bad cheap aftermarket light kits hinder oncoming traffics vision.

/endrant

 

I don't know if those H9's cause the issue, I'm just happy to see someone concerned about it the issue.

Edited December 3, 2015 by Brad Luczak

[TheWizard]

What you are seeing is installation of HID kits in halogen reflector housings. This is a VERY BAD thing to do and is actually illegal but almost never enforced. The problem is that reflectors are very carefully designed to control the light output created by a bulb with a light source (bulb filament) in a specific position and orientation. HID capsules produce a light source that is in a different position, has a different orientation (parallel to the bulb axis rather than perpendicular to the axis like a halogen bulb filament), and a different shape (the HID arc curves upward because of its own heat). This causes the output beam pattern to be poorly controlled creating light scatter and glare for other drivers.

 

Some will argue that their particular HID kit has been redesigned or has bulb caps or some other excuse that they think will eliminate the light scatter and glare but they are all wrong. You can't change the physics... an HID kit in a halogen reflector lamp WILL cause glare no matter what a vendor says while trying to sell it.

 

Projectors are generally a different story. The position, shape and orientation of the light source is much less important in a projector because it is the lens on the front of the lamp that focuses the light rather than any shaped mirror behind it. So with few exceptions, installing HID (or LED) kits in projector lamps will work quite well without causing any discomfort for other drivers.

 

The H9 substitution for H11 is a different situation. The H9 bulb has exactly the same dimensions, filament position and shape as an H11 bulb. The only real difference is the lack of the black cap on the end but that is not usually a source of glare because it only limits the straight-line light output and the majority of a reflector lamp's output is coming via the reflector. Of course, the same comments about projectors apply to H9 - the light source is not nearly as important as the lens design. So for late model Edge applications, replacing H11 bulbs with H9 is a perfectly acceptable solution for increasing usable light output without distracting or annoying other drivers due to light scatter or glare.

[remsleep]

I think if Ford can add originally more bright light

nobody looking after market

When you drive night time on the mountain road and light bad what option you have

My son has Mazda 3 for all extra option and very nice xenon light price much less as edge

Add for few dollar better light will nice from Ford

But ....

What we have what we have

People looking after market

Not only for fun. Just for safety too

[Nick Halstead]

People looking after market

Not only for fun. Just for safety too

 

Adding HIDs to halogen based lighting isn't safe at all...

[remsleep]

What different strong light from Audi or Lexus

Same color as aftermarket

[dave80]

Using diode dynamics 5000k hid kit with zero issues btw.

[omar302]

Using diode dynamics 5000k hid kit with zero issues btw.

Those images reminded me of one difference in projectors for HID & Halogen lamps. Notice the slight light glare above the cutoff line? This is intentional on Halogen projectors meant for some light to bleed upwards to illuminate road signs, especially overhead. When an HID light is retrofitted in a halogen projector, this "bleed" becomes much more (HID is ~2X brighter than Halogen). Some retrofitters covered these holes, also referred by some as squirrel finders.

 

[Nick Halstead]

Using diode dynamics 5000k hid kit with zero issues btw.

Not typically the best way to compare them. Way way too close to the wall