normcloutier Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hello everyone. I have had aftermarket HID lamps in my 13 SEL since I bought it. It was a big improvement over the stock halogens. Looking to move to LED. Has anyone used this type of lamp in their Edge? This model looks like many that are advertised online and in local stores. Probably all made in the same factory anyway. http://absolutehid.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cv27 Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Interesting. Anybody know what the Canadian/US regulations are regarding headlights? In another thread, someone stated that US regulations were antiquated and would not allow LED headlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Is the lumen output per bulb or summed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 2500 lumens per fixture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Interesting. Anybody know what the Canadian/US regulations are regarding headlights? In another thread, someone stated that US regulations were antiquated and would not allow LED headlights. Canada uses the Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (which are simular to the US's Federal Motor vehicle safety standards). The primary differences are: CMVSS 108 requires daytime running lamps on all vehicles made since 1 January 1990, while FMVSS 108 permits but does not require DRLs CMVSS 108, through an adjunct called CMVSS 108.1, permits European headlamps, while FMVSS 108 prohibits them. Both standards differ markedly from the UN (formerly "European") standards used in most other countries worldwide, not only in technical provisions, terminology, and requirements, but in format: each European standard deals with only one type of lighting device, while the single U.S. and Canadian standards regulate all lighting and reflective devices. LED headlights are permitted, however it's difficult and expensive to convert to LEDS from halogen which requires new housings with heat sinks, cooling fans, etc. Why not jump over LEDS and go straight to Lasers like the BMW i8? Edited October 27, 2015 by enigma-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Been running LEDs in the headlights for quite some time now. No problems so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Which LED's are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Got them off EBay last year, from a seller named itrendstyle. Don't see them or their product anymore for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigma-2 Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) "Been running LEDs in the headlights for quite some time now. No problems so far." Nice big heatsink at the base keeping them cool. Did you leave the headlamp assembly cover off to disappate the heat? Been curious, I've read that going to LED's in a refelector designed for Halagen bulbs will result in a lot of glare for teh on-coming cars. Do you get people calling for low beams very often? Edited October 27, 2015 by enigma-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The LED unit plugs in just like a halogen bulb. The heatsink is outside the headlight assembly, as is the adapter cord to connect to the appropriate pigtail on the other end (9005/9006/etc). Never been "flashed". I will have to recheck my files, but the light pattern fits the same area as the halogen bulbs. I use separate LED bulbs for high beams, and it is very obvious when I have them on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Mehhh...current LED market doesn't offer better than HID output. Though without proper retrofitting your never gonna get the optimal lighting/usable light out of them.www.hidplanet.com for all your lighting questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I am going to check the VLEDs kit installed on another Edge compared to my 3200 lumen HID kit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Hello everyone. I have had aftermarket HID lamps in my 13 SEL since I bought it. It was a big improvement over the stock halogens. Looking to move to LED. Has anyone used this type of lamp in their Edge? This model looks like many that are advertised online and in local stores. Probably all made in the same factory anyway. http://absolutehid.ca I'm going with these and installing tommorrow on 20011 Edge.. http://www.xenondepot.com/9012-LED-headlight-kit-p/9012-led-hl.htm Way better specs, not made in China, Korea I believe. Another difference is XenonDepot uses the Philips LMZ chip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Gauthier Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Either NormCloutier or A2zed, Can you post a follow up or feedback once you installed it. Might make the jump too on my 2013 Edge Limited. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) I'm going with these and installing tommorrow on 20011 Edge.. http://www.xenondepot.com/9012-LED-headlight-kit-p/9012-led-hl.htm Way better specs, not made in China, Korea I believe. Another difference is XenonDepot uses the Philips LMZ chip. Specs are based for LED reflectors. Not Halogen/HID. This is like putting transmission fluid in your engine cause they both say oil Edited December 8, 2015 by Nick Halstead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Specs are based for LED reflectors. Not Halogen/HID. This is like putting transmission fluid in your engine cause they both say oil Wrong. A very bad analogy. You have been told before. LED's in projector housings have equal to if not better light dispersion than HID and especially true with the LMZ diode in Ford projectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted December 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I'm going with these and installing tommorrow on 20011 Edge.. http://www.xenondepot.com/9012-LED-headlight-kit-p/9012-led-hl.htm Way better specs, not made in China, Korea I believe. Another difference is XenonDepot uses the Philips LMZ chip. Let us know how they turn out. Did you order the canbus ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Yes. I had them partially installed but while testing one canbus was doa. The replacement arrived late today. Just an observation on canbus resisters. XenonDepot says you should install canbus with DRL's but I'm not so sure according to this post:http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/15157-retrofitsource-hid-system-with-canbus-and-drl/ HID's use the identical canbus adaptor as LED.. and yes, I had to pull and reverse the wire polarity, so do check them when plugging. No big deal. Testing the setup, one LED was intermittent when connected directly (without canbus) but stabalized with canbus inline (the other was fine). Tech support said that was expected and would not replace the LED unless the canbus was installed with the same problem. That did not happen. Although the 2011 Edge may not be a canbus vehicle, an LED retrofit may require the constant voltage supplied by the canbus adaptor to operate properly with DRL's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wrong. A very bad analogy. You have been told before. LED's in projector housings have equal to if not better light dispersion than HID and especially true with the LMZ diode in Ford projectors. you can't compare a LED that was manufactured for a specific bowl, to an off the shelf plug n play LED in a generic bowl meant for HID/Halogens. You can go all day on HID planet in the compare thread and see that OEM LED projector lights are still a tad behind HID technology and all these plug and play LED kits are worthless currently. To answer your PM, the HID Edge lights in 11-14 and Halogens are totally different, which is why the Halogen has a dimpled lens and the HID does not, let alone the prices are 2-400 more for OEM HID Headlights on ebay. 11-14 HID 11-14 Halogen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Wrong. A very bad analogy. You have been told before. LED's in projector housings have equal to if not better light dispersion than HID and especially true with the LMZ diode in Ford projectors. It's actually a great analogy cause, both are oils, one for engine, one for transmission and not meant for the opposite. All 3 are light sources (Halogen/HID/LED) all meant for their own reflective bowls. No plug in play LED kit is going to have better output than an OEM HID kit. Come on, theirs guys buying brand new Corolla that come factory with LEDs and retrofitting them back to HIDs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 you can't compare a LED that was manufactured for a specific bowl, to an off the shelf plug n play LED in a generic bowl meant for HID/Halogens. You can go all day on HID planet in the compare thread and see that OEM LED projector lights are still a tad behind HID technology and all these plug and play LED kits are worthless currently. To answer your PM, the HID Edge lights in 11-14 and Halogens are totally different, which is why the Halogen has a dimpled lens and the HID does not, let alone the prices are 2-400 more for OEM HID Headlights on ebay. 11-14 HID 11-14 Halogen Yes, the lens is different - nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) It's actually a great analogy cause, both are oils, one for engine, one for transmission and not meant for the opposite. All 3 are light sources (Halogen/HID/LED) all meant for their own reflective bowls. No plug in play LED kit is going to have better output than an OEM HID kit. Come on, theirs guys buying brand new Corolla that come factory with LEDs and retrofitting them back to HIDs! No one is saying LED is better than HID - just more efficient. Correction.. I did mention better previously. Perhaps thats an overstatement. Edited December 8, 2015 by a2zed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Halstead Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Yes, the lens is different - nothing else. So you took a hot knife to both HID and Halogen headlights. Opened them up. Unbolted the projectors out then unscrewed the projector from the bowls to confirm this? I haven't seen an Edge HID in person but in pics the lens appears slimmer which is why they HID lens has a shroud around it. Also, why would you buy an oem HID to retrofit? Theres way better projectors on the market. My 2015 HIDs suck compared to whats on the retrofit market Edited December 16, 2015 by PrinzII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2zed Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) So you took a hot knife to both HID and Halogen headlights. Opened them up. Unbolted the projectors out then unscrewed the projector from the bowls to confirm this? I haven't seen an Edge HID in person but in pics the lens appears slimmer which is why they HID lens has a shroud around it. Also, why would you buy an oem HID to retrofit? Theres way better projectors on the market. My 2015 HIDs suck compared to whats on the retrofit market I bought an HID headlight to replace the halogen assembly - just one. My Ford parts dealer convinced me that the wiring option would not work because of some BCM or lighting control module issues. I went with upgrading the HIR2 bulb (in the original headlight housing) to LED. But no, I'm looking at this hid headlight assembly I have here. No need to take it apart. I'm really not be interested in going that route to retrofit either with projectors. I presume you're talking about aftermaket 2015 HID's? Edited December 16, 2015 by PrinzII 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) Supposedly you can use D2R and D4R HID bulbs in reflector housings: https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/1nih24/a_guide_to_hidxenon_lighting_systems_and_why/ https://www.theretrofitsource.com/components/bulbs/d2r-philips-85148.html Light dispersion of HID in halogen vs HID projectors: As far as the "dimpling" (Fresnel lens), the explanation might be similar to why they do it on household bulbs: "As a general rule of thumb, if the glass covering the PAR lamp is dimpled then the bulb has a wider (flood) beam spread. PAR lamps with a narrow beam (spots) have smooth glass covering the reflector." The dimpling may also accomplish scattering of chromatic aberrations, so if used on HID projector lenses, may not give the sharpest cutoff. Edited December 8, 2015 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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