GT500R Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) So what gives with the horsepower rating on these three cars? 325 hp, 375 lb·ft2015- Ford F-150 335 hp, 380 lb·ft2016- Lincoln MKX 315 hp, 350 lb·ft2015- Ford Edge Sport Anyone have any idea what the difference is between the engines mechanically? I assume this is just tune based horsepower (ignition timing, boost, a/f ratio). I guess the good thing is if mechanically all engines are the same that a tune for the Edge Sport will be very high in HP gains!!! Haha Edited August 26, 2015 by GT500R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cds71 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) I believe it is all tuning....a friend who owns lightspeed auto says this engine is capable of some serious numbers with tuning alone. Strange thing is the wife and I took a 2.7 mkx for a drive and found it felt noticeably slower than the sport.......now we didn't take any imperial data on the mkx.....it just felt like it had less kick than the sport....I was expecting alot more from the mkx. Edited August 26, 2015 by cds71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 If the F150 2.7 EB is similar to the 3.5 EB offering, it will have upgraded internals (forged crank & connecting rods for example) & bigger turbos to support the power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500R Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I believe it is all tuning....a friend who owns lightspeed auto says this engine is capable of some serious numbers with tuning alone. Strange thing is the wife and I took a 2.7 mkx for a drive and found it felt noticeably slower than the sport.......now we didn't take any imperial data on the mkx.....it just felt like it had less kick than the sport....I was expecting alot more from the mkx. That's what I assume, even though it is .8 L smaller then the 3.5 TT set up, the turbos are the same (from what I read - GT15's) and most likely has a lot of room left on the table to gain some HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cds71 Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ive seen an interview where a ford engine rep indicated that the only difference between the f150 and edge 2.7 was tunning....nothing more.....no internal changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't think there is any internal differences. The F150 is obviously longitudinal whereas the Edge/MKX are transverse. They have different intakes and exhaust setups and the F150 is most likely tuned for max power at lower rpm. I think the MKX figures are on premium and the Edge is on regular but that's just a guess. Could be tuning or it could just be clever marketing...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torquer Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 The MKX is slower than a sport. The gearing may be different, but the weight certainly is. All of that sound deadening and other frou frou stuff on the lincoln doesn't defy gravity. The internals may be the same but moving to a transverse mount does involve intake and exhaust changes as someone noted above. These alone wouldn't be enough to make a difference - its all in the tune. If you want to know how much a tune can make a difference, pop your Sport into "S" and feel the difference in spark advance and throttle response change. I have no doubt when tuning options come out for the Edge as they eventually will that we will see Edges seeing some nice gains. Whether your transmission and other powertrain parts hold up to the additional stress may be a different story Its also completely possible that the only difference is in advertised numbers and the actual differences are much much less. Only your local dyno knows for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cds71 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 PPower train on the edge sport 6f55....guys are running big numbers on that tranny with the 3.5 .ecoboost. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Regarding the MKX vs. Sport, the interesting part is the Torque rating of the MKX being 380lbs because all the 3.5L TT in FWD based offerings (SHO, Flex, Explorer, MKS, MKT) are limited to 350lbs Torque similar to the Sport. This was presumably due to the Transmission. So it is strange that the MKX has 380lbs, even more than the F-150, which would suggest there might be some serious torque management software to protect the transmission/drivetrain which might explain the difference in power "feel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cds71 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Regarding the MKX vs. Sport, the interesting part is the Torque rating of the MKX being 380lbs because all the 3.5L TT in FWD based offerings (SHO, Flex, Explorer, MKS, MKT) are limited to 350lbs Torque similar to the Sport. This was presumably due to the Transmission. So it is strange that the MKX has 380lbs, even more than the F-150, which would suggest there might be some serious torque management software to protect the transmission/drivetrain which might explain the difference in power "feel". Yes, i guess that could be a possibility.....just not sure why they would want to reign in that much power to make it inferior to the Sport....it was very noticeable, and I was really looking forward to the mkx test drive, and I left a little puzzled and disappointed as to the lack of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayoVac Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yes, i guess that could be a possibility.....just not sure why they would want to reign in that much power to make it inferior to the Sport....it was very noticeable, and I was really looking forward to the mkx test drive, and I left a little puzzled and disappointed as to the lack of power. So I have a MKX on order... actually just got the sticker, so it may be being built as I type. Reading all this is a bit disappointing. As I too thought for sure the MKX should be faster then the Sport based on the numbers. I was not able to drive a 2.7 MKX, but had driven the 2.7 2015 Sport numerous times and loved the performance. So my logic was "if the Sport is this good, the MKX should be just as good or better" again given the numbers advertised. I am going to be bummed if its not doing 0-60 in less then 6s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cds71 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) I too had high hopes for the mkx.....had it performed better than the sport, I was looking to upgrade to the mkx.....dont get me wrong the mkx was a beautiful vehicle....the ride was exceptional, interior was far superior to the edge.....just that small decrease in acceleration left me disappointed....the power just felt to civil compared to sport....but maybe thats the market they are going for. Edited August 27, 2015 by cds71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlancer Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 What's the weight difference? Wouldn't take too much in extras on noise dampening, suspension, etc to eat into that 20hp gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlancer Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 answering my own question, the data I found lists the AWD Edge at 4078lb and the MKX at 4236lb So that could be just enough to take off some of the 'edge' of the MKX, especially if Ford is being a little bit liberal with the hp ratings. -SJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz118 Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 answering my own question, the data I found lists the AWD Edge at 4078lb and the MKX at 4236lb So that could be just enough to take off some of the 'edge' of the MKX, especially if Ford is being a little bit liberal with the hp ratings. -SJ The Car and driver review lists the Edge Sport weight at 4437lb http://m.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-ford-edge-sport-27l-ecoboost-test-review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlancer Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 dunno. I was going by this sheet for the edge: https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North%20America/US/2015_Specs/2015_Edge_Specs.pdf and found the weight of the MKX on Edmunds That spec sheet doesn't break down the weight by engine though, and I can't imagine the 3.5, 2.7, and 2.0 all weigh the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 It all depends on the option level they're measuring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torquer Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 There are a few 2016 MKX reviews out there. Depending on which review of which car you favor, the MKX seems to be a few 10ths slower 0-60. Weight may be part of it, gearing may be part of it, driver may be part of it. Keep in mind the Lincoln is designed and intended to focus on luxury first. It is not uncommon for luxury brands to have more power but not necessarily have the performance to match based on the above factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted August 28, 2015 Report Share Posted August 28, 2015 Weights listed on specification pages on Ford & Lincoln websites (Edge AWD: 4078 lbs., MKX AWD: 4387 lbs.) reflect base vehicles. So the Edge would be a 2.0L (4 cyl.) model, so the Sport would definitely be considerably heavier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Hilliard Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 I would assume the difference between the Edge Sport and MKX with the 2.7L TT is just boost. They turned the boost up on the MKX a pound or two to differentiate the "luxury" brand and as others noted, overcome some of the extra weight in the MKX. I doubt it's much more than that. I wonder when the market will come out with tunes for the entire ecoboost range the way BMW and Audi/VW have for their turbo engines. And now that the Mustang has an ecoboost engine, I would think someone is working on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Ford was working on tunes themselves (with a factory warranty) but I haven't heard anything lately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Ford was working on tunes themselves (with a factory warranty) but I haven't heard anything lately. Already offered on the Focus & Feista ST. http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/27/ford-racing-ecoboost-reflash-warranty/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corey McComsey Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I took delivery of my Sport 2 Days ago...took it to the track yesterday for baseline...and dropping off for a Tune next week while I'm traveling. The 2.7L with a tune makes nearly the same HP and TQ as the 3.5L with a tune. When I have dyno numbers I'll post them here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airforceixi Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 I took delivery of my Sport 2 Days ago...took it to the track yesterday for baseline...and dropping off for a Tune next week while I'm traveling. The 2.7L with a tune makes nearly the same HP and TQ as the 3.5L with a tune. When I have dyno numbers I'll post them here. Where are you getting your tuning done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted September 18, 2015 Report Share Posted September 18, 2015 It's a good thing the trans has been upgraded to 6F55 from 6F50 Makes a tuned Edge more fun to drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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