twodips Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 My Edge Limited will not allow me to put in gas unless I feed it with a teaspoon. I've also got a check engine light and diagnostics come back as a emissions issue most likely related to fuel system. I replaced the vapor canister valve which I was told is usually the culprit but no joy. Then was told it could be the fill tube so I just replaced that and still no joy. Ok, I'm stumped! Any suggestions???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Is there a selenoid near the tank? Or the canister it's self is clogged. The only true way I have learned is to do the smoke test and determine what is and is not working. Sounds from you description that you have a closed issue rather than an open issue. Try your system with smoke to see if the the canister is the problem. You may also see signs like high pressure vapor release if the system is not allowing the vapors to feed through the canister. Thus back pressure and not allowing you to fill the tank. OHH check your lines to be sure they are clear and open. There have been many documented cases of those mud dobbers (wasps) making nests in the tubes and causing them to close off. I would shoot for this as it is nothing more than simple cleaning just your time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 You are able to insert the fueling nozzle, just not pump any fuel into the tank? As mac said, check for clogged lines underneath the Edge first. After that, you may have to take it to the dealer/service shop. Are you not under B2B warranty anymore? Could possibly get emissions coverage on this one. I'd holler out to FordService if nothing else DIY works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted March 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Nope, no longer under warranty @53k miles. I did speak with a dealer service dept. and they suggested the canister valve as the issue which I replaced. When I put the fill nozzle into the tank I get a pressure release, squeeze the handle and it puts in about 1.6 gallons then clicks off. I have to let it sit for 30 seconds or so and then it'll allow me to put in about .5 gallons. Rinse/repeat/rinse/repeat until I want to strangle it... In MY mind it's an emissions issue since I can't pass smog (emissions test) with a vapor issue but not according to Ford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordService Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 My Edge Limited will not allow me to put in gas unless I feed it with a teaspoon. I've also got a check engine light and diagnostics come back as a emissions issue most likely related to fuel system. I replaced the vapor canister valve which I was told is usually the culprit but no joy. Then was told it could be the fill tube so I just replaced that and still no joy. Ok, I'm stumped! Any suggestions???? Hello twodips, Let me get this escalated. Please PM your full name, VIN, dealer, and best daytime phone number. I’ll loop in a customer service manager for your region to assist. I'd holler out to FordService if nothing else DIY works. WWWPerfA_ZN0W, I appreciate the mention, and have a great day! Tricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hello twodips, Let me get this escalated. Please PM your full name, VIN, dealer, and best daytime phone number. I’ll loop in a customer service manager for your region to assist. WWWPerfA_ZN0W, I appreciate the mention, and have a great day! Tricia Thanks Tricia, sent the info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Hello twodips, Let me get this escalated. Please PM your full name, VIN, dealer, and best daytime phone number. I’ll loop in a customer service manager for your region to assist. WWWPerfA_ZN0W, I appreciate the mention, and have a great day! Tricia Tricia, forgot to add my phone number and the system won't allow me to send another PM until late today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Your tank is not venting so you have a closed loop somewhere. If it were open you would still be able to fill the tank without stopping after half a gallon. My fuel cap light is on and I have no pressure (i.e. vacumm or back pressure) so whatever the problem is I will let it go as the tank is venting in an open manner. Really just waiting for the new fuel tank to be installed before messing with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted March 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Your tank is not venting so you have a closed loop somewhere. If it were open you would still be able to fill the tank without stopping after half a gallon. My fuel cap light is on and I have no pressure (i.e. vacumm or back pressure) so whatever the problem is I will let it go as the tank is venting in an open manner. Really just waiting for the new fuel tank to be installed before messing with it. Yeah, kind of figured. The problem is figuring out where exactly the blockage is. Is it at the fuel tank, the canister or the lines in between. No matter where the blockage I am wondering/concerned about how it happened in such a short time period. Edited March 25, 2015 by twodips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Try disconnecting the canister then refueling if all goes well you may have your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 I don't know if it'd be safe to drive around with the canister disconnected. MAYBE bypassing the purge valve would work. Now, if you can disconnect & reconnect the canister at the gas station, that could be an idea. Still better to have a diagnostician tackle this tho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted March 25, 2015 Report Share Posted March 25, 2015 Thanks for clarificaton that is what I meant to say. Even fueling with it bleeding openly is a possibility of a fire hazard, but if the fuel went in even for a about 4 gallons without shutting off that would answer a question as to what the problem is. Over all a smoke machine and diagnostic is the overall better choice along with some electrical knowledge. I don't know if it'd be safe to drive around with the canister disconnected. MAYBE bypassing the purge valve would work. Now, if you can disconnect & reconnect the canister at the gas station, that could be an idea. Still better to have a diagnostician tackle this tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordService Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) Thanks Tricia, sent the info... You’re welcome, twodips. I've escalated your case, and let me know if you have any questions. Tricia Edited March 26, 2015 by FordService 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwf78155 Posted March 26, 2015 Report Share Posted March 26, 2015 Tricia Rocks ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordService Posted March 27, 2015 Report Share Posted March 27, 2015 Tricia Rocks ! Thank you, rwf78155. That compliment just made my Friday totally awesome! Tricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 You’re welcome, twodips. I've escalated your case, and let me know if you have any questions. Tricia I appreciated the escallation (for all the good it did ). Got a call from Ford, was told I'd be contacted by the Ford rep as soon as the diagnostic tests were finished. That was a couple of days ago. Here's an update on what was found. Turns out the vent valve on the fuel tank went bad and most likely took the canister with it. Total estimate to repair the emission system is $1400. I still assert that being you cannot pass emissions test with this defect it should be under emissions warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Do you have a part number from the estimate? I see a fuel vapor tube 9D667 with included transducer for $100 ... The 9C052 transducer (included) seems to pull up a fuel vapor pressure sensor for other ford models, can't locate one for the Edge though as a separate part. FVP Sensor Hose example: Edited April 4, 2015 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted April 4, 2015 Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 I would say if you have the ambition and willingness to dive in head first you could save a lot of $$$$ by doing this yourself. The parts seem to be about a quarter or less of the total price to repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted April 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2015 Do you have a part number from the estimate? I see a fuel vapor tube 9D667 with included transducer for $100 ... The 9C052 transducer (included) seems to pull up a fuel vapor pressure sensor for other ford models, can't locate one for the Edge though as a separate part. FVP Sensor Hose example: 9U5Z9F945E and 7T4Z9D653B 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 (edited) Okay, so that's the Vapor Canister Purge Solenoid and Vapor Canister (CX-2106), respectively, collectively not more than $450 if you pick the parts up at the counter, or $250 off of EBay. CANISTER SOLENOID DIAGRAM 1 DIAGRAM 2 Edited April 5, 2015 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted April 5, 2015 Report Share Posted April 5, 2015 Overall looks very doable as far as replacement. Definitely a job to plan ahead for, but ordering the parts would be far less costly. After looking at the diagram.....I would do it. After all how hard can it be....? Forgive me for laughing at myself. I support you to perform the work yourself you have everything to gain and lots of money to lose. Go for it!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Yeah, it looks easy except when you get to the idea that you have to drop the fuel tank first. Certainly something you don't want to do in your garage if you have any open flames (like a water heater or dryer). Then you have to be good with the idea that you will most likely will be wearing gasoline or at a minimum spilling some out of hoses etc. I would say a "smart" person would have a fire extinguisher handy and maybe another person to put you out if you should happen to ooops and ignite some fumes via spark or?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) For these 2 parts, you don't have to drop the fuel tank first. Can you put up a copy of the estimate (personal info excluded of course), that would let us see what else might be going on? Besides, I risk my life every time I fill 'er up at the fuel pump Granted it's supposedly a low risk situation, but if you can smell the fumes, it ain't 100% safe. Hence the precautions: well-ventilated area, no smoking, no electronic devices that can cause a spark, wear static-resistant clothing, etc etc etc ... Perfectly ROTM stuff. Edited April 6, 2015 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodips Posted April 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Here's what I've got, Codes P01450 and P0451. Ran Evap test Fail. Found tank not venting. Ran Pinpoint test suspect canister vent valve faulty due to raw fuel, possible FTP sensor and canister damage. Was told by service advisor the vent for sure has to be replaced and most likely the canister which entails dropping the tank @$1400. So, while I've found the other parts the FTP remains a mystery so far and the one that A. requires the tank drop. B. May or may not be the problem. To ask a stupid question, I'd replace just the canister/vent assmbly first as that makes more sense but am not clear on it's location? I was under the impression it was located above the fuel tank. As for the danger, I'm well acquainted with the dangers as I used to deliver fuels to stations. Got a healthy respect for what fumes can do... Edited April 6, 2015 by twodips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Do you have AWD? That is a bit more labor as you have to remove catback and driveshaft to get to the fuel tank. Otherwise it's disconnecting a bunch of lines & brackets. I'd think aftermarket SS would be cheaper to get this done at. Canister and solenoid are underneath the vehicle, under the passenger seat area approximately, from the diagram posted earlier, near as I can tell. No direct fuel tank involvement. The closest thing I can find by your description of the vent is the BT4Z-9D667-A part, which is Fuel Vapor ReturnTube Assy Part Includes 9C052 Pressure Transducer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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