macbwt Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I am guessing under the guidelines you stated below my engine is most likely going to self destruct any minute. Ya might want to review real world test I had done on my oil at 5k miles oil change. You can not dispute the facts on this as it is a scientific verified fact. Just watch my oil analysis video first before your reply. Oh one more thing. The filter I use is a budget filter from an oil lube shop. Been changing my oil there the entire time I have had this 2008 Ford Edge. I just change my oil every 4k miles, even when synthetic oil especially if I use the OEM filters. Reason is that even though synthetic oil can go longer without change, the oil filters usually get clogged with dirt/sludge after about 3k miles and go into bypass mode which allows the dirty oil to recirculate in the engine. The Ford oil filter in the Edge seems pretty big so I am guessing that it is good for at least 4k miles before it gets clogged. With regular non-synthetic oil, I would not go pass 3k miles due to how easily the regular oils break down and become diluted by fuel and heat as little as 2k miles depending on the brand. Edited March 11, 2015 by macbwt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) You can not dispute the facts on this as it is a scientific verified fact. Yeah - good luck with that........ Edited March 11, 2015 by akirby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Motorcraft filters have repeatedly proven their worth over time, and are relatively inexpensive. Here's a quick look inside from Ford: http://www.fordparts.com/Products/Filters-OilFilters.aspx One of the major reasons to use MC is the location of the silicone ADBV, which minimizes dry starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) OK. I will still change my oil at 4k miles. Damn. You guys need to get laid or something because you two are just a bit over strung about this stuff. I said that the Ford OEM filter "looks" like it can at least go 4k miles before it get clogged(filter media saturation which happens on extended drain intervals). This is my first oil change on the Edge, so I do not know how good the filter will be until my next oil change. I personally like running fresh oil in my car, so I do not like extended oil changes. So calm down people. I did not say that the Ford oil filter will clog at any particular time frame. FYI, "clogged" as in that the filter media is over-saturated with particulates and restrict oil flow which triggers the filter bypass valve to open and let the dirty oil flow pass the filter media. Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) If an engine is producing enough sludge to cause the oil filter to clog and to go into by-pass mode at just 3000 miles, I'm surprised the engine is still running well. Oil to be contaminated or diluted enough by fuel or diluted because of heat at only 2000 miles is real indications of something wrong! I bet you never had an oil analysis done by Blackstone or any of the other testing labs. I would also suggest you do some researching over on Bob Is The Oil Guy for starters. Everything you have said is so far off base, it doesn't make sense. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/category/2/Lubrication_and_General_Automo He said he changes oil every 4000 miles, but the oil filter clogs every 3000 miles. That's even more ridiculous! Doesn't make sense that he would drive 1000 miles with a clogged oil filter that is in by-pass mode. Actually depending on the brand of filter it could clog as soon as 3k miles. Some oil filters are better than others, which means some can hold more particulates and still filter the oil while others may be become over saturated sooner and trigger the bypass on the filter which just let dirty oil flow pass the filter media and recirculate back into the engine. Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 I am guessing under the guidelines you stated below my engine is most likely going to self destruct any minute. Ya might want to review real world test I had done on my oil at 5k miles oil change. You can not dispute the facts on this as it is a scientific verified fact. Just watch my oil analysis video first before your reply. Oh one more thing. The filter I use is a budget filter from an oil lube shop. Been changing my oil there the entire time I have had this 2008 Ford Edge. Now you are sounding foolish. I never said anything about any engine being acutely damaged from an 5k oil change. I said that dirty oil could be recirculated back into the engine if the the filter bypass valve is triggered, but modern oils should still keep the the particles/sludge suspended if the oil have not being diluted from use, which synthetic oil is better at resisting. I personally just do my oil changes at 4k just so I know the oil and filter is still fresh. Now chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) OEM filters clogged after 4K miles? Absolutely ridiculous. I'd go look up numerous tests that prove otherwise but you'll just ignore them. I know that is your specialty. However ,you can not read a post correctly. I posted that the OEM filter looks large enough to go "at least " 4k miles not at the most. And you wonder why I do not take your posts seriously. To your credit, automakers are recommending extended 10k mile oil changes so maybe the filters will go the distance, but I am just changing my oil at 4k. Personal choice. That is still allowed in your world? Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 However ,you can not read a post correctly. I posted that the OEM filter looks large enough to go "at least " 4k miles not at the most. No you didn't. You said it USUALLY get clogged after 3K but the larger Edge filter MAY go 4K. Ithe oil filters usually get clogged with dirt/sludge after about 3k miles and go into bypass mode which allows the dirty oil to recirculate in the engine. The Ford oil filter in the Edge seems pretty big so I am guessing that it is good for at least 4k miles before it gets clogged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 If an engine is producing enough sludge to cause the oil filter to clog and to go into by-pass mode at just 3000 miles, I'm surprised the engine is still running well. Oil to be contaminated or diluted enough by fuel or diluted because of heat at only 2000 miles is real indications of something wrong! I bet you never had an oil analysis done by Blackstone or any of the other testing labs. I would also suggest you do some researching over on Bob Is The Oil Guy for starters. Everything you have said is so far off base, it doesn't make sense. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/category/2/Lubrication_and_General_Automo He said he changes oil every 4000 miles, but the oil filter clogs every 3000 miles. That's even more ridiculous! Doesn't make sense that he would drive 1000 miles with a clogged oil filter that is in by-pass mode. I actually got my information about how oil start breaking down from the bob the oil guy site. Very good site to use, i recommend that you are read some posts in it about how oil breaks down and when it first start to occur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) No you didn't. You said it USUALLY get clogged after 3K but the larger Edge filter MAY go 4K. read post #29 again. You actually quoted what I posted.LOL Please just calm and see what I really posed and stop getting inflamed over when I decide to change my oil in my Edge. Hell, I promise i will not yell at you if change your oil every 20k miles. FYI, by OEM I was talking about the Ford filter in the Edge. Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Ford would not spec AN OEM filter that could not last the recommended oil change interval without getting clogged and going into bypass mode. That would just be asking for more warranty repairs. Assuming the engine is operating normally. Nobody is telling you not to change your oil at 3k or 4K but saying the filter usually clogs up is just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Anyone know of any standardized, multi-brand oil filter testing? I see filter media/construction comparisons (by individuals) most of the time. I did see an old old Swedish study ranking filters by flow rate/holding rate/when the bypass opens etc, but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Let me be clear. I believe that most "normal' oil filters are good for about 3k miles. The "extended" drain synthetic media filters are good for in my opinion for twice that or more depending on the brand. Newer OEM filters are maybe good for 5k -10k, depending on when they recommend the oil to be serviced. I will just change my oil at 4k while I use the Ford filter. Now, if anyone wants to go to 10k miles on it go for it. It is a free country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ls973800 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Very good site to use, i recommend that you are read some posts in it about how oil breaks down and when it first start to occur. ANY oil will start to break down within the first 100 miles of driving! It is a matter of how far you allow it to break down before it will clog the filter or damage the engine. Within 3000 or 4000 miles? No way Please link to some posts on BITOG where anyone says a filter will clog and go into by-pass mode at 3000 miles or even 4000 milesunder normal driving, even using non-synthetic blend or non-synthetic name brand oil. With regular non-synthetic oil, I would not go pass 3k miles due to how easily the regular oils break down and become diluted by fuel and heat as little as 2k miles depending on the brand. Again, if you are saying the oil is diluted by fuel and heat in as little as 2000 miles, I would like to see the links where you read this on BITOG. In fact, post over there what you said here about the filter clogging and going into by-pass, and about the oil dilution at 2000 miles. See what the real experts and people who have scientific evidence (oil analysis) and real world experience say to your claims. Fuel dilution is a concern in some modern direct injection engines. Your Edge does not use that technology so it should be no concern. As for the filter size of a Ford filter, my 2013 Edge 3.5 uses a small filter, in my opinion. Yet it is highly rated by independent tests and it can go the 10000 miles which may be what some Edge OLM (Oil Life Monitor) is allowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Ford would not spec AN OEM filter that could not last the recommended oil change interval without getting clogged and going into bypass mode. That would just be asking for more warranty repairs. Assuming the engine is operating normally. Nobody is telling you not to change your oil at 3k or 4K but saying the filter usually clogs up is just plain wrong. I see your point, but most problems, if it happens, will be after the warranty period on these 10k oil changes by any manufacturer. The same for seal for life automatic transmissions, which usually means a life just over 100k miles before slipping. I am just a believer of having fresh oil in a car, even if it means that i cut an service interval in half. That goes for my transmission and differentials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What you believe and reality are 2 different things apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Very good site to use, i recommend that you are read some posts in it about how oil breaks down and when it first start to occur. ANY oil will start to break down within the first 100 miles of driving! It is a matter of how far you allow it to break down before it will clog the filter or damage the engine. Within 3000 or 4000 miles? No way Please link to some posts on BITOG where anyone says a filter will clog and go into by-pass mode at 3000 miles or even 4000 milesunder normal driving, even using non-synthetic blend or non-synthetic name brand oil. With regular non-synthetic oil, I would not go pass 3k miles due to how easily the regular oils break down and become diluted by fuel and heat as little as 2k miles depending on the brand. Again, if you are saying the oil is diluted by fuel and heat in as little as 2000 miles, I would like to see the links where you read this on BITOG. In fact, post over there what you said here about the filter clogging and going into by-pass, and about the oil dilution at 2000 miles. See what the real experts and people who have scientific evidence (oil analysis) and real world experience say to your claims. Fuel dilution is a concern in some modern direct injection engines. Your Edge does not use that technology so it should be no concern. As for the filter size of a Ford filter, my 2013 Edge 3.5 uses a small filter, in my opinion. Yet it is highly rated by independent tests and it can go the 10000 miles which may be what some Edge OLM (Oil Life Monitor) is allowing. OMG. I forgot that some people are so literal here on this forums. Broken down oil alone is not what clogs the filter. sludge and dirt clogs the filter. Oil that is broken down do not suspense the dirt in the oil as when new, due to losing it cleaning properties. The damage occurs over time due to dirty being left in the engine if the dirty oil is just recirculating in the engine if the oil filter media becomes over saturated, which is different among oil filter brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 What you believe and reality are 2 different things apparently. Likewise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ls973800 Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 You are the one who said oil filters clog at 3000 miles and go into by-pass. You thought the Ford filter being "bigger" might last 4000 miles before going into by-pass. Perhaps you shouldn't be so literal with what you say is an everyday event regarding clogging and by-pass mode on all cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 To all involved. This is becoming a stupid and redundant argument about oil changes. If you believe that your oil and filter can go longer, fine. I believe what I believe. So move on with your lives. It is only my opinion about when and why I change my oil. Some of you really need a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Or you need to stop making factually incorrect statements then try to defend them by saying they're just your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Move on folks, rolled over the dead body enough times already! carguy, will you be doing Blackstone oil analysis at filter change time to see how your Edge is doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbwt Posted March 11, 2015 Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just an FYI my 2008 is now at 273,000 miles on conventional oil. with 5-6k mile oil changes. Just saying I am operating outside of your perimeters. Now you are sounding foolish. I never said anything about any engine being acutely damaged from an 5k oil change. I said that dirty oil could be recirculated back into the engine if the the filter bypass valve is triggered, but modern oils should still keep the the particles/sludge suspended if the oil have not being diluted from use, which synthetic oil is better at resisting. I personally just do my oil changes at 4k just so I know the oil and filter is still fresh. Now chill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Just an FYI my 2008 is now at 273,000 miles on conventional oil. with 5-6k mile oil changes. Just saying I am operating outside of your perimeters. Just an FYI my 2008 is now at 273,000 miles on conventional oil. with 5-6k mile oil changes. Just saying I am operating outside of your perimeters. Man. i know that i said that I was gonna to drop it, but damn some of you are dense. You have just quoted my post that says that i do not believe that an engine will be damaged from 5k oil changes, and that modern oils are good at working at suspending dirt in the old even if the filter may be clogged(or not since the Ford OEM filter do not clog according to some of you). I am stating what i personally believe about oil filters which is fact for some, but not all oil filters. Obviously, your Edge seems to doing ok using regular oil and OEM filters for over 4k oil changes. I am still changing my oil and filter at 4k. Now get over it. P.S. How do I know that you are even on the same engine or the odo have not been swapped? Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carguy75 Posted March 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) Or you need to stop making factually incorrect statements then try to defend them by saying they're just your opinion. If my opinion is wrong about oil and oil filters. Post some factual proof of it or you are just posting your opinion as well. Edited March 11, 2015 by carguy75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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