Illegal logic

[Grey]

 

Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in Texas.

 

This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of circular

logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your adversary, just say

what you think makes a new case when the previous case gets too difficult to

defend.

 

Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station on the streets of downtown Houston

on

May 1, 2006:

 

Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are marching in

the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your cause and

what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?

 

Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will

bring Houston to its knees!

Jim: What rights?

 

Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the benefits you

get.

 

Jim: When did you come to the United States?

 

Juan : Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with s even other friends.

 

Jim: Why did you come?

 

Juan : For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in

Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to

school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have

the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!

 

Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you came?

 

Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a! rig! ht

to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green Cards.

 

Jim: How did you acquire those documents?

 

Juan : From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too.

 

Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?

 

Juan : It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.

 

Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?

 

Juan : The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read it!

 

Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about rights

for Aliens.

 

Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights, like

the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came here.

Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and that

document speaks to unalienable rights .. Not Alien rights.

 

Juan: Whatever.

Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are you

carrying a Mexican Flag?

 

Juan: Because I am Mexican.

 

Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty ... to become a US citizen.

 

Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of Mexico

that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its rightful owner.

 

Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico,

Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was not

stolen from Mexico.

 

Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New Mexico

and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos steal, like

oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.

 

Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?

 

Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over the

place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans out. How

is this fair?

Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.

 

Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and speak

their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's

another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in

Spanish . Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston

will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!

 

Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper

documentation, what rights would I have there?

Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.

 

Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live wherever

they please.

 

Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want Mexico

too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico. Why would

you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service, schools, or

welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own land in my

country. Stay in the country of your birth.

 

Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue. Thank

you for your comments.

Juan: Viva Mexico!

 

Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every

representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain

uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your

own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed"

to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray".

Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its

citizens no longer held their cor e beliefs and values. One person CAN make a

difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one........

 

The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean

something, however, hasn't even begun.

[NYEdge]

And how does this relate to the Ford Edge????

I'm not knocking your opinion on a totally different topic than our vehicles, but I for one visit this site to talk about my car and relax a bit.

 

I'm sure that some members can relate to your frustration, but lets keep things a little more on topic.

 

Get out for a ride, enjoy your Edge, and relax. :mellow:

[Hardhawk]

Too bad the brick wall your emoticon is banging his head against isn't on the border!

[Hardhawk]

And how does this relate to the Ford Edge????

I'm not knocking your opinion on a totally different topic than our vehicles, but I for one visit this site to talk about my car and relax a bit.

 

I'm sure that some members can relate to your frustration, but lets keep things a little more on topic.

 

Get out for a ride, enjoy your Edge, and relax. :mellow:

 

 

The Lounge is specifically for Off Topic discussions. They don't have to have anything to do with the Edge. Just a place to chat or vent, whichever may be the case.

[Good_Hands]

Too bad the brick wall your emoticon is banging his head against isn't on the border!

 

This post is definitely rep-able.

 

Well, if we could do that here.

 

[Ksaness07Edge]

And how does this relate to the Ford Edge????

I'm not knocking your opinion on a totally different topic than our vehicles, but I for one visit this site to talk about my car and relax a bit.

 

I'm sure that some members can relate to your frustration, but lets keep things a little more on topic.

 

Get out for a ride, enjoy your Edge, and relax. :mellow:

 

Look at the name of this room its Lounge (Off Topic) sounds like hes n the right place to me.

 

Immigration is a hot topic and always will be we will never be able to keep out illegal immigrants. I'm all for people coming into our country legally our country wouldn't be what it is today with out immigrants but I think we would be that much better if more immigrants come in legally and not crossing our borders illegally.