Lex Talionis Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Is anyone planning to add an amp to their system? now that I am opening this whole can of worms about improving my sound.. I would consider it IF you can just plug and play and swap out the old one for a new one. That I would consider. Don't care enough to mont one under the seats, rewire and such. But, if I could pull out the factory mounted in the back and swap in a more better one. I would consider it. that being said, anyone know if that is even possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 now that I am opening this whole can of worms about improving my sound.. I would consider it IF you can just plug and play and swap out the old one for a new one. That I would consider. Don't care enough to mont one under the seats, rewire and such. But, if I could pull out the factory mounted in the back and swap in a more better one. I would consider it. that being said, anyone know if that is even possible? I am sure it's possible. I am talking with a friend of mine to make some determinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I am considering the amps made by Tru Technology: http://www.trutechnology.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 post up when you find out if the current OEM amp is plug and play.. then I will consider the amp route as well.. now, what do you think of the JL Audio TR570-CXi? They claim to fit front and rear on the Edge. Can't find any reviews of them versus the Kappas which have a ton on Crutchfield but which may not fit in the back anyway. So the JL Audio TR570-CXi may be the route. thoughts on their speakers by anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 post up when you find out if the current OEM amp is plug and play.. then I will consider the amp route as well.. now, what do you think of the JL Audio TR570-CXi? They claim to fit front and rear on the Edge. Can't find any reviews of them versus the Kappas which have a ton on Crutchfield but which may not fit in the back anyway. So the JL Audio TR570-CXi may be the route. thoughts on their speakers by anyone? I have listened to them and they are a pretty decent budget speaker. However, you might want to go for the VR or C5 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Lex: This is the speaker and amp package I am looking at. Front Stage: Dynaudio Esotec 242 Components http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/auto/esotec/242.php Rear: Morel Tempo 5x7/6x8 Coaxial (Lex, the price on these is really not too bad. In fact, they are at the same price point as the JLs you were looking at) http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_poin...kers_tempo.html Amp: Tru Technology S44 http://www.trutechnology.com/products/steel/s44_08.html I thought about getting an 8" sub to complement but this setup is going to be exactly what I want because I will have the sound quality as well as stealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Lex: This is the speaker and amp package I am looking at. Front Stage: Dynaudio Esotec 242 Components http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/auto/esotec/242.php Rear: Morel Tempo 5x7/6x8 Coaxial (Lex, the price on these is really not too bad. In fact, they are at the same price point as the JLs you were looking at) http://www.morelhifi.com/products/mob_poin...kers_tempo.html Amp: Tru Technology S44 http://www.trutechnology.com/products/steel/s44_08.html I thought about getting an 8" sub to complement but this setup is going to be exactly what I want because I will have the sound quality as well as stealth. way to hardcore and more serious then me. I am not trying to install tweeters and replace the whole system like what you may be doing. I think speakers will do me real good. As a matter of fact, I have already committed to and ordered the INFINITY KAPPA 682.7CF based on some installing feedback I got from a member here last night who has actually successfully installed them front and rear. These speakers get great reviews and are within the budget I set for this project and from all I can see, I will get a great advantage by at least doing speakers. Yes, I could replace the whole darn system, but no thanks. I like sound, but not that much if you feel me. BTW, did you confirm or deny that the OEM amp is plug and play removable to another model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 (edited) way to hardcore and more serious then me. I am not trying to install tweeters and replace the whole system like what you may be doing. I think speakers will do me real good. As a matter of fact, I have already committed to and ordered the INFINITY KAPPA 682.7CF based on some installing feedback I got from a member here last night who has actually successfully installed them front and rear. These speakers get great reviews and are within the budget I set for this project and from all I can see, I will get a great advantage by at least doing speakers. Yes, I could replace the whole darn system, but no thanks. I like sound, but not that much if you feel me. BTW, did you confirm or deny that the OEM amp is plug and play removable to another model? As for the confirmation, I did not confirm that (yet). I have to go to the dealer today and will probe them on that question. However, I may consider another head unit along with the Eclipse. http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseac...Product_ID=5595 This Kenwood's got a few more things that the Eclipse doesn't. Edited February 27, 2008 by PrinzII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Lex, One thing is that when you upgrade the speakers, you will want to upgrade the amp down the road. The beauty of what I am doing is that I don't plan to do everything right away. I am doing mine in stages, with the first stage being the head unit. My setup is not considered hardcore because I am not hacking any panels to install any of this equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Lex, One thing is that when you upgrade the speakers, you will want to upgrade the amp down the road. The beauty of what I am doing is that I don't plan to do everything right away. I am doing mine in stages, with the first stage being the head unit. My setup is not considered hardcore because I am not hacking any panels to install any of this equipment. I just got this info on the amp: "there is a good change the Ford amp uses speaker level inputs, so if you got a amp with speaker level inputs or a LOC (Line Output Converters), you would be okay as far as inputs and outputs go. You would probably want to run new main power direct from the battery and ground wires though." Yeah, probe the dealer with this info and let us know what you find out about pulling the amp and upgrading it. BTW - what I meant by hardcore is - in the end - you are looking at replacing everything you paid for. for me, that is hardcore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I just got this info on the amp: "there is a good change the Ford amp uses speaker level inputs, so if you got a amp with speaker level inputs or a LOC (Line Output Converters), you would be okay as far as inputs and outputs go. You would probably want to run new main power direct from the battery and ground wires though." Yeah, probe the dealer with this info and let us know what you find out about pulling the amp and upgrading it. BTW - what I meant by hardcore is - in the end - you are looking at replacing everything you paid for. for me, that is hardcore. a) Will do. I am interested in finding out where the amp resides anyway. If you look at it that way, I see what you mean. Hardcore it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 a) Will do. I am interested in finding out where the amp resides anyway. in the rear near the sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 in the rear near the sub What if you have an Edge without the sub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 (edited) Now, I have to decide on the wiring for the audio system. Edited March 6, 2008 by PrinzII Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffreybehr Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 PrinzII: "Highs = Treble Mids, or midrange consists of the frequencies starting at 1,000 Hz and up to 9,000 or 10,000 Hz." Not quite. The approximate range of human hearing is 20Hz (cycles per second) to 20,000Hz. That range is about 10 octaves, and they're labeled as follows. Bass--3 octaves...20 - 40, 40 - 80, and 80 - 160Hz. Midrange--4 octaves...160 - 320, 320 - 640, 640 - 1280, and 1280 - 2560Hz. Treble--3 octaves...2560 - 5120, 5120 - 10240, and 10240 - 20480Hz. The fundamental tones of virtually all musical instruments fall within c. 40Hz - c. 2KHz. The harmonics of those fundamental tones--that is, the multiples of the fundamental frequencies--are what create the sound of the instruments. For instance, both a bass guitar and a bass fiddle play the same range of notes starting with their lowest note of E (= c. 42Hz IIRC), but they sure don't sound the same, and those differences are caused by their having a different mix of harmonics. Just thought you'd like to know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinzII Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Jeff: Works for me. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffreybehr Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 A few notes on the subject of replacing door speakers. 1. I replaced my FD speakers with the EXCELLENT-sounding SonicCraft JG65s, the same now-discontinued-and-inexpensive drivers I use in my main L/R speakers in my multichannel audio/video system. I use a coil to roll off the upper-MR/treble starting at a calculated 2KHz. 2. The upper-MR and treble are handled by Infinity tweeters. I tossed the original 2nd-order high-pass filter (at c. 2.5K IIRC) and replaced it with some HQ BlackGate caps...enough to lower the x-over point way down into the MR to get more of the music coming from in front rather than around my knees. Currently that filter point is c. 1.2KHz (!!!!), MUCH lower than anyone thought I could get away with, but they sound great and don't smoke! 3. The rear-door speakers are 8" woofers that I run full-range. While they add a bit of fullness...warmth...to the sound, they have little bottom-octave output, so I bought... 4. ...an Infinity 10" subwoofer system... ...that turned out too big and I never installed it. I've just ordered a Blaupunkt 8"-driver SW system... http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Ite...mp;i=023THB210A ...that ought to fit. Overall my system sounds QUITE good, and having some bottom-octave energy will cause it to sound even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak in TO Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Sorry ... I posted this elsewhere ... any comments? Jaak ************************************************************** Folks ... am looking at upgrading the 4 speakers in my 2008 Ford edge with better ones. The sound is not bad ... but I know it can be better. I went to Crutchfield Canada website and entered my vehicle and they came back with a number of speakers available. I do not want the componant system ... just want the direct replacement w/o the extra hassle. It has come down to the following speakers and I would like to get some feed back as to what would be better. My music tastes are more into non-supper base (don't need to hear me coming down the road 1/2 before I arrive). I like techno, House, NiN, The Cult, some jazz, some clasical, Rock, new rock, but I do not need the BOOOOOOOOOOMING bass ... there is an 8" woofer in the rear. Need a "full" sound with more emphasis on mid to high end. The speakers listed are as follows complete with Canadian Prices: Infinity Reference 6822cf, 2 ohms @ &119.99 a pair Kenwood KFC-C6880ie, 4 ohms @ $149.99 pair JL Audio TR570-cxi, 4 ohms @ 159.99 a pair Infinity Kappa 682.7cf, 2 ohm @ $179.99 a pair (these will fit the rear; someone already fit them with no issues). These will be replacing the front and rear speakers and I will be leaving the Sub alone in the rear. The NAV, SYNC head unit's output is 190 watts. Thanks for your input! Jaak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Sorry ... I posted this elsewhere ... any comments? Jaak ************************************************************** Folks ... am looking at upgrading the 4 speakers in my 2008 Ford edge with better ones. The sound is not bad ... but I know it can be better. I went to Crutchfield Canada website and entered my vehicle and they came back with a number of speakers available. I do not want the componant system ... just want the direct replacement w/o the extra hassle. It has come down to the following speakers and I would like to get some feed back as to what would be better. My music tastes are more into non-supper base (don't need to hear me coming down the road 1/2 before I arrive). I like techno, House, NiN, The Cult, some jazz, some clasical, Rock, new rock, but I do not need the BOOOOOOOOOOMING bass ... there is an 8" woofer in the rear. Need a "full" sound with more emphasis on mid to high end. The speakers listed are as follows complete with Canadian Prices: Infinity Reference 6822cf, 2 ohms @ &119.99 a pair Kenwood KFC-C6880ie, 4 ohms @ $149.99 pair JL Audio TR570-cxi, 4 ohms @ 159.99 a pair Infinity Kappa 682.7cf, 2 ohm @ $179.99 a pair (these will fit the rear; someone already fit them with no issues). These will be replacing the front and rear speakers and I will be leaving the Sub alone in the rear. The NAV, SYNC head unit's output is 190 watts. Thanks for your input! Jaak Can't go wrong with Infinitys - Kappas are better if you don't mind spending more. You can also look at Polk Audio - they also have direct replacements and are on par with Infinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak in TO Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 akirby ... thanks. The Polk IIRC had componant system and the others required modification. Want to do a straight swap without resorting to trimming and such. Thanks for the reply ... just worried the 2 ohm maynot be good ... should have more resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Talionis Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Sorry ... I posted this elsewhere ... any comments? Jaak ************************************************************** Folks ... am looking at upgrading the 4 speakers in my 2008 Ford edge with better ones. The sound is not bad ... but I know it can be better. I went to Crutchfield Canada website and entered my vehicle and they came back with a number of speakers available. I do not want the componant system ... just want the direct replacement w/o the extra hassle. It has come down to the following speakers and I would like to get some feed back as to what would be better. My music tastes are more into non-supper base (don't need to hear me coming down the road 1/2 before I arrive). I like techno, House, NiN, The Cult, some jazz, some clasical, Rock, new rock, but I do not need the BOOOOOOOOOOMING bass ... there is an 8" woofer in the rear. Need a "full" sound with more emphasis on mid to high end. The speakers listed are as follows complete with Canadian Prices: Infinity Reference 6822cf, 2 ohms @ &119.99 a pair Kenwood KFC-C6880ie, 4 ohms @ $149.99 pair JL Audio TR570-cxi, 4 ohms @ 159.99 a pair Infinity Kappa 682.7cf, 2 ohm @ $179.99 a pair (these will fit the rear; someone already fit them with no issues). These will be replacing the front and rear speakers and I will be leaving the Sub alone in the rear. The NAV, SYNC head unit's output is 190 watts. Thanks for your input! Jaak we sound somewhat similar on needs.. I amVERY happy with the Infinity Kappa 682.7cf - they WILL fit despite CF saying they will not in the rears read about it here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak in TO Posted March 24, 2008 Report Share Posted March 24, 2008 Lex ... saw yours!!!! BTW Crutchfield Canada does not say fronts only .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mano1192 Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 5X7'S are nothing to write home about. Get a 6.5" adaptor and run 6.5" comps. Your system wil; have better front and rear stage. 5x7 coax rears may work just for rear stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanatronic Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 (edited) Yesterday and the day before yesterday I was on a few audio stores around, to try to audition a few of the 5x7 they had. After carefully audition of mainly all the brands discussed here: JL, Infinity, Pioneer, Sony, Keenwood, Polk, etc....(with the exception of the Dynaudio and Morel that are really ahrd to find in front of you to audition) none of them made me want to upgrade yet, all of them were hooked to a very nice headunits, probably better than the ones in our Edges, and the sound was far from being what I was looking for (not that the stock is good, it is indeed mediocre, but those are not that better as to make go for all the hassle of replacing the speakers myself) I will try to audition some coaxs DLS to see if they make me change my mind, otherwise I thing that Morel will be my second choice as Dynaudio do not make 5x7's, just circular ones... DLS has two models that will fit the 457, and 257. On the 457 the xover is a little bulky, so not sure if we may have space to accomodate it inside the doors...the 257 is more moderate in size, but the tweeters are just 16mm, as opposed to the 20mm silk that they use in the 457... BTW for the poster about Morel and Dynaudio, if you are serious about audio, there are just a few brands to consider which everybody in the car audio circles seems to agree on them: Dynaudio, Morel, Focal, DLS, then JBL, Boston Acoustics, with maybe a couple more, and then the rest, but those four are considered to be in a completelly diferent league of performance in reference to brands like Pioneer, JL, Infinity, Polk, MTX, Pyle, and so on (BTW Polk used ot do prety good speakers, not sure why now they are downgrading) Not that these are bad, but they do not have the extra refinement that the above have in the design and manufacture, and of course as a result in the sound... Edited December 10, 2008 by Kanatronic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kustomsigns Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 check out this JL subwoofer install intstructions. http://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/15266.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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