Jocelyn Castro Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 (edited) hi , i have an edge 2013 and changed my bulbs to hid (9006 6000k 35 w with canceller ) it works fine when you start the car and shift to drive ,it will act as a drl, but if you shift it to park and return it to drive then light will only turn on for 2 seconds and turned off. I still need to turn off my engine and restart for it to work. Any suggestions on how i can make this right? Im from Canada and your replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Edited October 5, 2013 by Jocelyn Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candurin Posted October 5, 2013 Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 Did you get a canbus wire harness? Is that what your referring to as "canceller" or are you referring to ddm's bulb out canceller adapters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2013 i got my kits from kbcarstuff.com (volt hid digital hid kit) and warning canceller from ebay (JDM Anti-Flicker Decoder Warning Canceller Capacitor #c41 For 9006-HB4 Low Beam http://bit.ly/19p5HP1) . i have no idea if this is the right combo for my car with drl on my headlights. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 If your headlights are used as your DRL's they will operate at only 10 volts during the day. The power to the headlight will only be at full voltage when the headlights are turned on manually or it is dark enough for them to switch on. Are you using a relay or feeding the ballasts with factory wiring? My guess is the ballasts don't have enough voltage to fire the bulb. When you start your vehicle, especially if you are parked in a dark garage, the headlights will turn on full which fire the bulb. Once they are on, they stay fired. When you park, they turn off. Now that you are outside and put vehicle in drive again, DRL is activated and only supply 10 volts which won't fire the bulbs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 @normcloutier i used warning canceller (http://bit.ly/19p5HP1) in between ballast and hid bulbs. so what will i do to make this right? can i use relay harness that is connected to the battery plus the flicker kit (http://bit.ly/19p5HP1) together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) finally its working now. @norm first time i tried the ballast is not firing enough voltage. i change the ballast with better quality finally it work just fine. but ive noticed its firing the same amount of light during day and night time. but, im thinking is it ok to use hid as drl or it might be overused? Edited October 6, 2013 by Jocelyn Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 You can go to your dealer and have them switch your DRL function to the front turn signals. Takes 10 minutes. They plug in with a laptop and program it with their IDS software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 actually i already tried to talk to them about that, went to to dealership 3 times and still no help. they dont know what im talking about. they told me that they can only enable and disable drl and theres no option. and they said that only U.S edge can play around the drl cause ,using drl in the U.S is not mandatory. thats why i tried this warning canceller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 No. Not true. I had mine changed. I have a Canadian13 SEL. It had the headlights as DRL. The setting is in the exterior lighting section of the IDS software. The options for DRL are headlights, front turn signals or off. Note that once you change from headlight to turn signal, you can not go back to headlight. Something to consider if you plan on installing DTBL EDGE2 lights in the future. You would have to connect the turn signal trigger to the rear turn signals as the front ones will be on during the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwatkins Posted October 6, 2013 Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 I can confirm Norm's account. I had the same thing done. Had to fight with them a little bit. They didn't believe me. You just have to go in with the confidence you know what's going on. It's when you're not sure, and they're not sure, then they don't really want to do anything. Tell them if they want to continue servicing your vehicle, they'd better give it a try. It's literally only a few minutes of work. Nothing illegal about it. Your DRL's will then behave as if the vehicle came with HID OEM from the factory. Norm: I didn't know you couldn't go back to standard DRL (headlights). How did you discover that? -Cody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 6, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2013 (edited) How did you convinced them? or you didnt even need to? What did you explain to them? and yes im planning to install dtbl in the future, is it hard to connect the wirings at the rear turn signals,? have you done this on your edge? and now im more confused, if youre at my situation what will you do? change the drl as front turn signal so the hid wont be over used OR just use the headlights as drl for easy installation on the dtbl edge2 but might shorten the life of hid? ???? Edited October 6, 2013 by Jocelyn Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Turn them off. The new lights will be the drls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Turn them off. The new lights will be the drls. what do you mean?? hid as drl or the signal lights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 Cwatkins, I had my dealer switch my DRL function from headlights to front turn signals because I wanted to install hid and didn't want them on all day. When I bought DTBL Edge2, I went back to the dealer to see if the led light pipes could be selected as DRL. A few members said it could be done and it would make for an easy install. Just plug them in for power but the option was not available. The OEM light pipes would never be bright enough to be used as DRL so the option to use them is not available. When you have factory hid, the front turn signals are used as DRL. To use the amber turn signal portion of the DTBL DRL, you have to connect them to the front turn signal wiring which in this case is on all the time so it won't won't work. You need to connect the turn signal trigger to the rear turn signals which is a PITA. I went to the dealer to get the DRL function changed back to the headlights but it does not appear in the list after you have changed it to front turn signals. The option to change from headlight DRL to front turn signal DRL is easy. You just have to convince your dealer to do it. To convince them to turn DRL function off in order to use DTBL DRL is more difficult and dependant on local laws. I may just keep my front turn signals as DRL and tie the turn signal trigger into the rear circuits. I have ordered a wiring manual for the 13 edge and hope to find a way to use OEM wiring to power DTBL DRL and tie the turn signal trigger into the wiring in the engine compartment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2013 finally convinced the dealer to "check" if they can change my drl to my front turn signals. booked an appointment on thursday. idk if they gonna charge me for that? so after changing drl to front turn signals,when you flashed your high beams during the day whats gonna happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I have a SEL that has DRL function changed from headlight to turn signal. When you flash headlights during the day, the headlights will turn on for as long as you hold the lever. When you release lever, they will shut off. I believe on factory HID vehicles, they stay on for 2 seconds and then shut off no matter how long you hold lever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omar302 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 I believe on factory HID vehicles, they stay on for 2 seconds and then shut off no matter how long you hold lever. This is exactly how they work on my car, 2011 MKX with factory HID, no matter how long or short you hold the lever, but that's only during the day (headlights off). If the headlights are on, the highbeams will turn on for as long as you hold (pull) lever, there is no minimum or maximum time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Jocelyn, keep in mind that if you plan on installing EDGE2 and have your turn signals changed to DRL, you will have to connect the turn signal triggers to the rear signal lights. Dan has found those wires in the footwell of the drivers side wire harness. If you want the dealer to turn your DRL function off and use the EDGE2 as DRL. you will have to install EDGE2 first. The dealer will not turn the DRL function off unless you have aftermarket ones already working. My dealer is willing to turn DRL but only once I have EDGE2 functioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Jocelyn, keep in mind that if you plan on installing EDGE2 and have your turn signals changed to DRL, you will have to connect the turn signal triggers to the rear signal lights. Dan has found those wires in the footwell of the drivers side wire harness. If you want the dealer to turn your DRL function off and use the EDGE2 as DRL. you will have to install EDGE2 first. The dealer will not turn the DRL function off unless you have aftermarket ones already working. My dealer is willing to turn DRL but only once I have EDGE2 functioning. thanks for the info. actually im not good at the wirings, is there a video or pictures that i can watch so it'll be easy for me to do it? im planning to have edge2 nxt year summer, cause i just owned my edge ,3 months ago and im still enjoying it. where do live in canada? winnipeg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) norm, so if i didnt change my drl (from headlights to front turn signal) it will be easy for me to install the edge2 and act as drl?? then go to my dealer and ask them to turn off my drl (headlights)? cause i have an appointment tomorrow to change my drl (headlights to front turn signals) for me to install hid kit. Edited October 9, 2013 by Jocelyn Castro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normcloutier Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 EDGE2 will be easier to install without turn signal as DRL.You could always go to the appt and let the dealer see what he needs to do. You could change to turn signal DRL for now and then change to DRL off once you install EDGE2. Once you change to DRL turn signal, you can not go back to headlight DRL. Not that you would but just thought I would mention that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 sounds good. i have another question. my front turn signals now is my drl. can i still switch it to led switchback bulb??? i just ordered the item from ebay, its 3157 led switchback bulb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) sounds good. i have another question. my front turn signals now is my drl. can i still switch it to led switchback bulb??? i just ordered the item from ebay, its 3157 led switchback bulb. Maybe. There are a couple of problems though. Many of the inexpensive (no, actually cheap) LED bulbs found on ebay are not designed to handle heat very well and will fail in just a few weeks when used as DRLs because they are on constantly. Even better name brand LED bulbs such as V-LEDs specifically deny warranty for many of their bulbs if used for DRLs. Also, most of the cheap ebay bulbs are nowhere near as bright as even the stock incandescent bulbs so they really make lousy DRLs anyway. In general, you have to spend $30 or more per bulb to get bulbs that will be bright enough and can handle the heat. It is not unusual to spend $60 to $80 per bulb for special purposes (such as hazard strobes). Finally, the only time you will ever see the white LEDs of a switchback bulb (if the turn signals are used as DRLs) is when the headlights are on... the rest of the time they will be amber just like stock. Edited October 10, 2013 by TheWizard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted October 10, 2013 Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Except the vleds tritons... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocelyn Castro Posted October 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2013 Maybe. There are a couple of problems though. Many of the inexpensive (no, actually cheap) LED bulbs found on ebay are not designed to handle heat very well and will fail in just a few weeks when used as DRLs because they are on constantly. Even better name brand LED bulbs such as V-LEDs specifically deny warranty for many of their bulbs if used for DRLs. Also, most of the cheap ebay bulbs are nowhere near as bright as even the stock incandescent bulbs so they really make lousy DRLs anyway. In general, you have to spend $30 or more per bulb to get bulbs that will be bright enough and can handle the heat. It is not unusual to spend $60 to $80 per bulb for special purposes (such as hazard strobes). Finally, the only time you will ever see the white LEDs of a switchback bulb (if the turn signals are used as DRLs) is when the headlights are on... the rest of the time they will be amber just like stock. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/271153815801?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 this is the item i bought from ebay. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/271153815801?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 so do i still need to wire resistors right? can you help me where to wire the resistors? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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