64000 Miles On OE Tires

[flyerjmr33]

Today, I finally replaced the OE tires on my 08 Edge Ltd. The original Pirellis finally wore down enough to warrant replacement at 64000 miles. I have been driving since 1948 and never had a set of tires wear as well as these--

The replacements are Pirellis---

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

Great recommendation if I ever saw one Could you sum up your likes/dislikes with this tire? Thanks.

Edited September 7, 2013 by WWWPerfA_ZN0W

[flyerjmr33]

Great recommendation if I ever saw one Could you sum up your likes/dislikes with this tire? Thanks.

Likes--- Wear, Ride, and quietness--- they roll smooth--never required balancing after the first time,

Dislikes-- None that I can think of--

 

these are 245/50/20 --- I actually didn't want 20" wheels when I bought the Edge, but, I gotta say that they have done very well for me so far and hopefully, the new tires, which are quieter than the originals will do as well if I last another 6 years!

[akirby]

Were you driving on grass?

[flyerjmr33]

Were you driving on grass?

Driving on Houston TX wrecked roads---and they weren't quite worn down to the wear indicators. Still had a few thousand miles left in them, but got a "LOW PRESSURE" warning lite driving at 75 down the freeway and instead of having that left rear tire fixed, I decided to replace them. I had planned on doing it at the end of this month anyway, so I was only a couple of weeks off my schedule.

Someone told me I should drive them till I could see the air-----

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

Someone told me I should drive them till I could see the air-----

 

Probably the same person who drives it till the needle is past E

[flyerjmr33]

 

Probably the same person who drives it till the needle is past E

Actually, it was the same guy who told me to drive it till the oil light came on, then change the oil!

[akirby]

Actually, it was the same guy who told me to drive it till the oil light came on, then change the oil!

 

So he's 1 for 2........

[ls973800]

How often did you rotate the tires?

[flyerjmr33]

How often did you rotate the tires?

5-7000 miles. Air pressure is checked monthly and set at 36 PSI

[akirby]

5-7000 miles. Air pressure is checked monthly and set at 36 PSI

 

I still think you're driving on carpet and not asphalt........

 

I'm lucky to get 25K miles out of any set of tires on any vehicle.

[flyerjmr33]

 

I still think you're driving on carpet and not asphalt........

 

I'm lucky to get 25K miles out of any set of tires on any vehicle.

Used to be that way, but tires have gotten better in the past few years. The OE tires on my Edge with 20" wheels had a tread life guarantee of 65,000 miles--- They could have made it--only another thousand, but it was more convenient to simply change them while I was at the tire dealer.

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+STR&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=45HR0SCORSTRV2&tab=Specs

 

I had a set of Michelin rain tires on my old 2004 Toyota Sienna that had over 50,000 miles on them when I finally sold the van--- 25,000 miles used to be a good number back in the days when tires cost $25 each---

[dolphinsc66]

Unbelievable! I live in Charleston, SC and last year I bought a 2010 Edge Limited from a local Ford dealer with 20" Pirelli tires. I only had 18,000 miles. I have had them rotated every 5000 since I've had it. Now I'm at 35,000 miles and both my independent mechanic and I noticed they are dry rotting. I had this issue with Firestone's on our Ford Explorer years ago....BIG recall ya'll may remember in the news...Ford replaced ALL the recalled Firestsone's on all the Explorers. Anyway, they shouldn't be dry rotting. Original purchase date of vehicle was February, 2010 so I do believe my warranty is still good since this is a manufacturer defect. The service writer told me I have to deal directly with Pirelli although they gave me the measurements on the tread to help with the warranty. I believe it IS their responsibility to deal with PIrelli so it's back and forth now. Fun, fun, fun!! My question now is, anyone have any recommendations on a 20" tire that will wear better and is good in the oppressive heat we have down here? That is assuming they don't support the warranty. When I'm not driving "Edgie", she's in the garage.

[flyerjmr33]

Unbelievable! I live in Charleston, SC and last year I bought a 2010 Edge Limited from a local Ford dealer with 20" Pirelli tires. I only had 18,000 miles. I have had them rotated every 5000 since I've had it. Now I'm at 35,000 miles and both my independent mechanic and I noticed they are dry rotting. I had this issue with Firestone's on our Ford Explorer years ago....BIG recall ya'll may remember in the news...Ford replaced ALL the recalled Firestsone's on all the Explorers. Anyway, they shouldn't be dry rotting. Original purchase date of vehicle was February, 2010 so I do believe my warranty is still good since this is a manufacturer defect. The service writer told me I have to deal directly with Pirelli although they gave me the measurements on the tread to help with the warranty. I believe it IS their responsibility to deal with PIrelli so it's back and forth now. Fun, fun, fun!! My question now is, anyone have any recommendations on a 20" tire that will wear better and is good in the oppressive heat we have down here? That is assuming they don't support the warranty. When I'm not driving "Edgie", she's in the garage.

I should have shipped you my old Pirellis--- There was little tread left, but no dry rot or cracks. They were manufactured in November of 07. As far as heat goes, there is not much that will outdo what we have here in Houston. Heat and lots of road hazzards from buckling pavement caused by the heat.

Sorry to hear about the problem you are having.

If you don't mind the cost,which is almost double of the Pirellis, Michelin makes a 20" tire in that size and the wear rating is slightly higher than the Pirelli.

[akirby]

Unbelievable! I live in Charleston, SC and last year I bought a 2010 Edge Limited from a local Ford dealer with 20" Pirelli tires. I only had 18,000 miles. I have had them rotated every 5000 since I've had it. Now I'm at 35,000 miles and both my independent mechanic and I noticed they are dry rotting. I had this issue with Firestone's on our Ford Explorer years ago....BIG recall ya'll may remember in the news...Ford replaced ALL the recalled Firestsone's on all the Explorers. Anyway, they shouldn't be dry rotting. Original purchase date of vehicle was February, 2010 so I do believe my warranty is still good since this is a manufacturer defect. The service writer told me I have to deal directly with Pirelli although they gave me the measurements on the tread to help with the warranty. I believe it IS their responsibility to deal with PIrelli so it's back and forth now. Fun, fun, fun!! My question now is, anyone have any recommendations on a 20" tire that will wear better and is good in the oppressive heat we have down here? That is assuming they don't support the warranty. When I'm not driving "Edgie", she's in the garage.

 

The dealership is 100% correct. If you check the factory warranty info (if it's not in the OM go to motorcraftservice.com) you'll see that the tire mfrs warranty the OEM tires, not Ford. This is clearly a tire defect and should be covered by Pirelli. Just go to a local tire shop and let them deal with Pirelli. If they agree then the tireshop will issue the adjustment towards a new set. If you don't want new Pirellis maybe the tire shop will swap them for you. But this is definitely not a Ford issue.

 

On a related note, I just got new Latitude Tour HP Michelins (18") on the 08 Edge. They lasted 34K miles but the treadwear warranty is 55K so I got a pro-rated adjustment of $330 towards a new set.

[dolphinsc66]

Thanks all for the suggestions. I do understand that Ford doesn't warranty the tires; however, I purchased the vehicle from this dealer and if they want my business for new tires (whether Pirelli will refund any percentage on them due to dry rot remains to be seen although while speaking to a rep there it seemed likely). Anyway, I don't take issue with the dealer not wanting to handle the warranty since it's probably not worth their time but then they should say that. I was told twice by Pirelli that the dealer has to call them and get the warranty paperwork and send the tires to them with a 4-6 week turn around. Probably I am better off with a tire shop. Maybe I shouldn't even worry about the dry rot and just use them until they are worn down. Right now the front treads are 8/32" and the rears are 5/32". The previous owner either didn't have them rotated on a regular basis or two of the tires are newer although the manufacture date is the same. Anyway, I spoke to a seemingly knowledgeable tire store owner who suggested Cooper Discoverer CTS or Yokahama Parada Spec-X. He said the Cooper's are rated at 70,000 miles and should get me at least 60,000 as long as they're rotated regularly. Anyone out there have any experience with either of those? I have always had Michelin's on our Explorers and never had any issues but the only Michelin I was looking into would cost over $1000 for 4 and we're not budgeted to spend that much on tires. So, if anyone has had those tires please let me know. Oh ya, my tires are P245 50R20. Apparently, I can't expect the Pirelli Scorpion STRA to last much past 35,000 but it appears my two front tires might last past that point. I am open to "hearing" anything anyone has to say about these tires. Thanks!

[WWWPerfA_ZN0W]

Spec-X Edge owners seem to be happy with them. $750 or so shipped from Tirerack to give idea of price. No idea on Cooper tires on the Edge.

[carbonedge+]

 

I had a set of Michelin rain tires on my old 2004 Toyota Sienna that had over 50,000 miles on them when I finally sold the van

 

 

I also find this hard to believe...Did you have 17" wheels? My wife had a 2004 Sienna XLE, we put over 100k miles on it and 6 (yes 6!) sets of tires on it!! The last set had the best tread life as it was recommended that we go up a size to get out of the passenger car tires and into the SUV grade. The tire shop said the van is just too heavy for the OEM tire and saw that issue a lot.

[carbonedge+]

Thanks all for the suggestions. I do understand that Ford doesn't warranty the tires; however, I purchased the vehicle from this dealer and if they want my business for new tires (whether Pirelli will refund any percentage on them due to dry rot remains to be seen although while speaking to a rep there it seemed likely). Anyway, I don't take issue with the dealer not wanting to handle the warranty since it's probably not worth their time but then they should say that. I was told twice by Pirelli that the dealer has to call them and get the warranty paperwork and send the tires to them with a 4-6 week turn around. Probably I am better off with a tire shop. Maybe I shouldn't even worry about the dry rot and just use them until they are worn down. Right now the front treads are 8/32" and the rears are 5/32". The previous owner either didn't have them rotated on a regular basis or two of the tires are newer although the manufacture date is the same. Anyway, I spoke to a seemingly knowledgeable tire store owner who suggested Cooper Discoverer CTS or Yokahama Parada Spec-X. He said the Cooper's are rated at 70,000 miles and should get me at least 60,000 as long as they're rotated regularly. Anyone out there have any experience with either of those? I have always had Michelin's on our Explorers and never had any issues but the only Michelin I was looking into would cost over $1000 for 4 and we're not budgeted to spend that much on tires. So, if anyone has had those tires please let me know. Oh ya, my tires are P245 50R20. Apparently, I can't expect the Pirelli Scorpion STRA to last much past 35,000 but it appears my two front tires might last past that point. I am open to "hearing" anything anyone has to say about these tires. Thanks!

 

If you are considering Coopers, check out the CS4 Touring; that's what we finally put on the above mentioned Sienna that finally seemed to hold up; had a quiet smooth ride too. For my Edge, I was on my second set of Toyo Open Country H/T; I would highly recommend those as well.

[akirby]

I've heard good things about Cooper tires. If you want a good comparison from actual owners - go to tirerack.com and look at the user surveys for CUV/SUV tires.

[flyerjmr33]

 

I also find this hard to believe...Did you have 17" wheels? My wife had a 2004 Sienna XLE, we put over 100k miles on it and 6 (yes 6!) sets of tires on it!! The last set had the best tread life as it was recommended that we go up a size to get out of the passenger car tires and into the SUV grade. The tire shop said the van is just too heavy for the OEM tire and saw that issue a lot.

The OE tires on my Sienna XLE were so noisey at 25K miles that I put on the Michelins. I don't remember the wheel size on the Sienna, but I was amazed at how far the Michelins went. I sold the van at 78K miles because the seating was uncomfortable to me. Arm rests way too low on the door and the ones on the captains seats were way too narrow. There was about 5/32" of tread left when I sold it.

[flyerjmr33]

Thanks all for the suggestions. I do understand that Ford doesn't warranty the tires; however, I purchased the vehicle from this dealer and if they want my business for new tires (whether Pirelli will refund any percentage on them due to dry rot remains to be seen although while speaking to a rep there it seemed likely). Anyway, I don't take issue with the dealer not wanting to handle the warranty since it's probably not worth their time but then they should say that. I was told twice by Pirelli that the dealer has to call them and get the warranty paperwork and send the tires to them with a 4-6 week turn around. Probably I am better off with a tire shop. Maybe I shouldn't even worry about the dry rot and just use them until they are worn down. Right now the front treads are 8/32" and the rears are 5/32". The previous owner either didn't have them rotated on a regular basis or two of the tires are newer although the manufacture date is the same. Anyway, I spoke to a seemingly knowledgeable tire store owner who suggested Cooper Discoverer CTS or Yokahama Parada Spec-X. He said the Cooper's are rated at 70,000 miles and should get me at least 60,000 as long as they're rotated regularly. Anyone out there have any experience with either of those? I have always had Michelin's on our Explorers and never had any issues but the only Michelin I was looking into would cost over $1000 for 4 and we're not budgeted to spend that much on tires. So, if anyone has had those tires please let me know. Oh ya, my tires are P245 50R20. Apparently, I can't expect the Pirelli Scorpion STRA to last much past 35,000 but it appears my two front tires might last past that point. I am open to "hearing" anything anyone has to say about these tires. Thanks!

Your Ford dealer IS a Pirelli sales outlet and should handle the warranty. The tread life on the Pirellis is great when they are rotated at 5-7000 mile intervals and the alignment of the vehicle is within specs.

I was a little concerned about how long the Pirellis on my Edge would last, but after my experience, I simply bought another set. The new ones are smooth and more quiet. Discount tire was my choice of tire dealers--- there was a $70 rebate from Pirelli and a $30 rebate from DT and using their Credit Card, they give you 6 months to pay it off with no interest. I love that part--using their money for a while.

[Waldo]

The thing about tires is that you can never really know what you're going to get. Tire companies move production from one plant to another, they change rubber compounds and tweak the construction over time. Even though a tire might look the same and be branded the same, it can be very different than the same tire you bought a few years earlier. That's why different people can have such different experiences with what they think is the same tire.

 

A lot of times when you buy an "OEM" tire in the aftermarket, you're either getting the "reject" tires that didn't meet the OEM's tight specs for quality or you're getting a tire that has a different compound or construction that is more efficient to produce and can be used on several different vehicles. But then sometimes you actually can get the same tire that came on the vehicle when new. The problem is that it is very hard to know which of these scenarios you're in.

[akirby]

The thing about tires is that you can never really know what you're going to get. Tire companies move production from one plant to another, they change rubber compounds and tweak the construction over time. Even though a tire might look the same and be branded the same, it can be very different than the same tire you bought a few years earlier. That's why different people can have such different experiences with what they think is the same tire.

 

A lot of times when you buy an "OEM" tire in the aftermarket, you're either getting the "reject" tires that didn't meet the OEM's tight specs for quality or you're getting a tire that has a different compound or construction that is more efficient to produce and can be used on several different vehicles. But then sometimes you actually can get the same tire that came on the vehicle when new. The problem is that it is very hard to know which of these scenarios you're in.

 

Not to mention the mfr will make different versions of the exact same tire for different OEMs, sometimes labeled identically. I think there are at least 3 different OEM versions of the Michelin HX MXM4 - one for Honda, one for Ford, etc. etc.

[flyerjmr33]

 

I also find this hard to believe...Did you have 17" wheels? My wife had a 2004 Sienna XLE, we put over 100k miles on it and 6 (yes 6!) sets of tires on it!! The last set had the best tread life as it was recommended that we go up a size to get out of the passenger car tires and into the SUV grade. The tire shop said the van is just too heavy for the OEM tire and saw that issue a lot.

I don't remember the wheel size on the Sienna, but it was an XLE. The Michelins were installed at 25000 miles because the OE tires(also Michelin) were way too noisey. I sold the vehicle at 78,000 and the Michelin Rain Tires still had 5/32 of rubber left.