Maavalous1 Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 I was at the dealer for other work and was chatting with the mechanic about anything they see coming in on the 2013 Edge with 3.5L V6. He said that one thing they see a LOT of is dirty or failed Throttle Body. That they recommend having it cleaned every 15-20K miles. For $65 no less. So, I googled around for an hour or so and came up with NOTHING on this issue. Is this another "dealer service scam" or is this a REAL problem? He described it as causing the car to stall and, if bad enough, to not run at all. He also said that there was a "national shortage" of replacement throttle bodies due to the problem. You'd think that would show up somewhere if it were happening with such regularity. Anyone familiar with this issue or have this problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlyon Posted June 19, 2013 Report Share Posted June 19, 2013 my dad is a parts and service director for a Ford dealer in VA, and i have been having problems with my 08 3.5L. i asked him about it and his first thought was the throttle body as he sees alot of those come through. i would say, just by what he was telling me, that there are problems with them. not real sure about year models though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordMan1977 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I can understand mechanical/electrical throttle body issues...but dirty TB's? Why would they be getting dirty TB's on 2013's? Strange info if you ask me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordMan1977 Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I can understand mechanical/electrical throttle body issues...but dirty TB's? Why would they be getting dirty TB's on 2013's? Strange info if you ask me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 I can understand mechanical/electrical throttle body issues...but dirty TB's? Why would they be getting dirty TB's on 2013's? Strange info if you ask me! Especially since there is an air filter ahead of the the TB, and there is no PCV vent pre-TB! Is the TB clogging from the intake manifold side? Blowback maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 It's oil from the pcv that comes into the intake tube from the left side (when looking from the front.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 It's oil from the pcv that comes into the intake tube from the left side (when looking from the front.) Hmm. Maybe a catch can is in order if the TB is getting dirty from that. Space is already plenty tight in that compartment tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maavalous1 Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Some good discussion so far... but not the "confirmation" I'm looking for. I did more googling around and found a couple of cases where people had to have their Throttle Body replaced... one at 15k and another at 33k... but no mention of any regular service required or further issues after replacement. Replacement with that low a miles sounds like defective part from the start. I searched all the "official" Ford sources. The manual has no mention of it. In fact, one thing that makes me suspicious of "dealer service scam" is that the Ford info calls for radiator and tranny flush plus spark plugs at 100k and this dealer tried to tell me every 30k for flushes and 50k for plugs. Which I knew was bogus or Ford shouldn't be building engines at all. I've run other V6 engines 100k before doing any of that and my daughter has one of my old cars that now has 180k on it and has had ONLY plugs and an O2 sensor at around 110k and no other issues in all those miles. So, looking for that person who can confirm that the TB will fail early and often if not serviced (cleaned) every 15-20k miles. Or that there really is a "national shortage" of TB because of failures... which sounds like a case for a recall to me. I still think the dealer is looking for a fast $65. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Quote directly for the Ford Service Manual: The TB : controls air supply to the intake manifold by electronically positioning the throttle plate. is not adjustable. cannot be cleaned. Not only is cleaning not required, it should never be done and would technically void the warranty on the throttle body. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maavalous1 Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 OK! Waldo, that's the type of info I was looking for!! I assume you have the Service Manual? Where can I get one? And, most importantly, I would like to have the part on the TB that I can copy/paste into an e-mail to my "great" dealership service manager. I had a feeling what they were telling me was WRONG! THANKS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maavalous1 Posted June 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 OK... I had a chat with the Service Manager at a local Ford dealer. He swears... and he sounded sincere... that there is a FLAW in the TB design. That Ford has fixed it. BUT... there are nowhere near enough of them available. "A nationwide back order status." according to him. That, when they catch up, there will likely be a Service Bulletin for this issue. He still thinks that cleaning it at 15-20k miles will avoid a failure until they can replace them. So, I'm keeping an eye out for this. Still surprised there's no real info anywhere on the interweb. Definitely going to DEMAND a new one before my warranty expires. This, to me, seems like it justifies a RECALL not just a TSB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo Posted June 27, 2013 Report Share Posted June 27, 2013 It is true that there are a lot of throttle body failures, but cleaning them is not going to make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Noticed a mpg drop over last week after filling up Costco gas. Took it in for service at dealer. Dealer suggested MAF cleaning with BG service/Air Filter replacement, stating that the throttle bodies get dirty. Guess it's time to look inside the Edge's throat myself. Yippee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maavalous1 Posted August 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Demand that they replace your TB with the "new improved" version. I found out there has been a nation-wide backorder since spring... because they will ALL fail eventually. Hopefully the BO is clearing out. But that tells you that it is a problem for ALL the engines. I will absolutely demand mine be replaced under warranty... just waiting a bit to make sure they can actually get one when I do. I'm thinking spring cause I have time left on the warranty. This is a REALLY SAD thing for Ford to pull right when they are kicking butt in the marketplace. Sigh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I hear ya, Maavalous1! Just might do that. BTW, the dealership found nothing wrong with the Edge at all. It was just a "suggestion" to get the service. To their credit, assuming someone actually looked at the vehicle, they did not charge me anything for the "diagnostics" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimples Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I just had the throttle body replaced in my 2012 Edge limited this morning at 35,106 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Dimples, what symptoms were you having to merit the replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigh Cloud Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I was at the dealer for other work and was chatting with the mechanic about anything they see coming in on the 2013 Edge with 3.5L V6. He said that one thing they see a LOT of is dirty or failed Throttle Body. That they recommend having it cleaned every 15-20K miles. For $65 no less. So, I googled around for an hour or so and came up with NOTHING on this issue. Is this another "dealer service scam" or is this a REAL problem? He described it as causing the car to stall and, if bad enough, to not run at all. He also said that there was a "national shortage" of replacement throttle bodies due to the problem. You'd think that would show up somewhere if it were happening with such regularity. Anyone familiar with this issue or have this problem?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigh Cloud Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I was at the dealer for other work and was chatting with the mechanic about anything they see coming in on the 2013 Edge with 3.5L V6. He said that one thing they see a LOT of is dirty or failed Throttle Body. That they recommend having it cleaned every 15-20K miles. For $65 no less. So, I googled around for an hour or so and came up with NOTHING on this issue. Is this another "dealer service scam" or is this a REAL problem? He described it as causing the car to stall and, if bad enough, to not run at all. He also said that there was a "national shortage" of replacement throttle bodies due to the problem. You'd think that would show up somewhere if it were happening with such regularity. Anyone familiar with this issue or have this problem?? my dad is a parts and service director for a Ford dealer in VA, and i have been having problems with my 08 3.5L. i asked him about it and his first thought was the throttle body as he sees alot of those come through. i would say, just by what he was telling me, that there are problems with them. not real sure about year models though.. Just took my 2011 ford edge in today and they are replacing throttle body but it is on back order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leigh Cloud Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Took my 2011 ford edge in today and guess what??? Throttle body needs to be replaced, they r replacing at their expense, but it is on back order, so who knows how long it will be until I get my car back however they gave me a 2013 ford focus to drive until my car is fixed....guess I can't complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Great to hear, Leigh. What symptoms were you experiencing? How did they diagnose it as a TB issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssteven Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 My 2013 Edge is in the shop as I type to have the throttle body replaced. I can tell you the list of symptoms that I experienced and hopefully this will help some of you others. I have 29,000 miles currently on the vehicle. I took it in initially because I noticed it to be shifting hard (almost like a slip) generally from 2nd to 3rd gear. It really just felt unstable at times, including when coming to a downshift and then a quick upshift again, it would hesitate or kick. When they looked at it they found that the transmission fluid was a quart low with no visible signs of leak whatsoever. Addressing that did not solve the issue, so they then reset the "adaptive learning" capability of the edge to see if that would help since I bought the vehicle used. That also did not help. I had also noticed that the gas mileage was getting consistently worse, I was barely getting 16 to 17mpg on average. In the shop yet again, and they called to tell me that the throttle body was bad and needed to be replaced. They stated this would cause all of the above symptoms. I have a family member who works for this service dept and I have done a commercial for the dealership/service dept so I know they would not be giving me the typical run-around that some experience. They gave me another 2013 edge to drive as a loaner and it really made me realize just how poorly mine had been shifting gears and sucking gas, but I have noticed in this loaner vehicle that it surges RPM's while at idle, so I would guess that this vehicle will also have a failed throttle body in the near future. It is definitely a flaw in the throttle body and I would not at all be surprised to see a recall on this in the next couple of years. I will post an update after the I get the vehicle back and see how its driving. Hope this helps some of you out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 This is one area where I think a recall or at least an extended warranty is called for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I got a new one a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWPerfA_ZN0W Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Same symptoms, Dingo? Any noticeable improvements yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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