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Interested in hearing your thoughts 037, I'll be testing that tune when I'm back from Vegas Monday or Tuesday

I'll do a 5-60 run for you so you can compare to the car mags 037!

I think your going for more roll stuff like 30-60 or 40-80. I see what you mean with replication on runs by taking out the 0 part, but then you start to get into trap speeds, weight and aerodynamics. If you are looking for that stuff then look at trap speeds. While the Edge 0-60 is pretty formidable for a lot of cars with similar 0-60, the roll race won't last a more then a second or two for those same cars due to weight, awd, aero etc.

5-60 is no more then just taking out optimal launches, your Commodore is a second slower also 5-60, so the M4 is still ahead regardless (trap time comes more into play at that point) I don't really find the point in 5-60 other then showing a time slower then 0-60. Plus at a track makes no sense. Actually even on the street makes no sense as I don't think you would be at a light and roll the window down and say "hey when you hit 5 mph then go full throttle, I don't do 0-60 stuff man"

Forgot to update this, I found 18'' rims on tirerack.com. They fit over brakes and with winter tires were around 7 lbs lighter each tire!

Hey 037, 1 foot roll out is too much for me to explain, so here is some good reading -> http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-importance-of-rollout and http://www.nogaroblue.com/27978/30426.html Essentially it is showing what your results would be at the track due to the 2 staging beams. Not probably super applicable to the 0-60, but more 1/8 and 1/4. The issue with the 5-60 is you take out the launch portion of the 0-60 and AWD cars like Audi S3 or WRX or Porsche Turbo's have their launch control taken out of the equation and doesn't show true performance. For example if you take a 5-60 vs. a 0-60 for an Audi A3 and you see that the 0-60 is 5.4 and the 5-60 is 6.3. Why? Because you eliminate the launch (3000 rpm with some good power) and starting with barely any power (1200 rpm) at the start. Correct.

Not exactly sure 100%, as I didn't go that fast on the stock tune, I will have to try it out and see if the behavior is the same. Haven't brought it to LMS as an issue yet, still seeing if it is something non tune related.

Traction control ON and SPORT mode 0-60 MPH 5.179 Seconds 0-100 KPH 5.513 Seconds 0-60 MPH (1-Ft) 4.711 Seconds 0-100 KPH (1-Ft) 5.045 Seconds Not too far off without the launch.

So I finally got two quick vids of my trans shifting from 3rd to 4th to show what is exactly happening. Background: I noticed that when going full throttle and shifting from 3rd to 4th that the trans either goes back and forth or revs a bit higher after shifting into 4th gear. I wasn't sure what the heck was going on so I decided to video tape it and try and find out. 1. SPORT mode with gear shown to see when it shifts -> Watch the rpms, it shifts, stays at 5K rpm for a second then 5600 and stays in 4th the whole time 2. DRIVE mode to show the weirdness of shifting back and forth -> Watch the rpms, it shifts, then jumps up a bit, then shifts into 5th(?) then back into fourth and keeps going... this was full throttle as hard as I could push the pedal down. So my theory is this: DRIVE mode is like Ms. Daisy mode and thinks no way this guy wants to go fast and shifts in 5th then is like oh crap he is still full throttle then shifts into 4th to continue. SPORT mode is fine, good to go, just weird that it jumps like 600 rpm out of no where.... Any trans experts want to take a stab at what the heck is going on here?

037 - Glad to hear you are getting the tune! I test using a measuring tape and a spotter, its as simple as getting 1320' of tape... totally kidding. I use a VBOX SPORT -> http://www.vboxmotorsport.com/index.php/us/. It is what the magazine testers use in order to provide their numbers (Car & Driver for example -> http://www.caranddriver.com/features/how-does-c-d-test-cars). Very accurate at 20 mhz and easy to use (not that expensive either). I also use a road that has an extremely flat surface (actually has a slight uphill) to ensure my numbers aren't skewed and aren't overstated. I haven't tested a tune at a stand still with no stall and traction control off. So I would assume based on previous tests and a gauge the car will do 0-60 in around 5.4 or so due to traction control and not a hard launch. The 1 foot roll out is similar to an actual track, as you start to line up you have a couple of beams that need to light up, and generally you have around 1 foot before the actual time starts to measure as you need to "release" the beams in order to start the time. The great thing is this website - http://vboxtools.com/- does all of the calculations for me so I don't need to I will try some tests with Sport mode and traction control on with a normal launch and see what I can get.

Looking really nice Nick!

cds71 -> also take a look at the manual shift on the third run, didn't provide any difference in performance and it still shifted around 6K in first gear

Thanks. I would also point out that "Drive" is greatly enhanced also, not a real slug in shifts anymore, they are pretty nice and crisp also. Let me know your thoughts.

I haven't checked gone up to 100 + yet to check that 3rd to 4th gear shift unfortunately. I would think the bog / back and forth would be gone though. Depending on the conditions and the road the front tires may break loose for a milli second. If I leave traction control on it will definitely flash in first gear which is kinda cool. I will have to test out the 3rd->4th and report back.

So I had the opportunity to test out the 91 aggressive tune plus firmer shifting tune from LMS "The transmission tune has firmer shifting and an overall more aggressive shift strategy which is the primary changes to the tune. The 93 tune would still have more timing advance because of the higher octane." - LMS Impressions of the 91 agr. tune: the shifting is actually better then the current offering of tunes! Shifting is very quick (almost like my DSG VW, but not quite) and CRISP, there is no clunking, banging, etc. from the shift strategy on this tune - which the other 93 tune doesn't really clunk, but I feel like it sometimes bangs into the next gear on full throttle and I feel it can be a bit smoother. Normal "D" is very nice with the shifts also, crisp and clean. I think there is a bit more aggressive tuning (timing) in this tune based on the canned tune but I am not 100% certain. Either way I ran three times and had very similar results each run. It seems that this tune is just a SMIDGE slower then the 93 can tune (pretty cool). I now want the shift strategy on my 93 tune! DA was pretty much same for all runs for both tunes (-2200 DA) I am not sure if I should keep posting these threads or should just create one big VBOX thread to sticky or keep updating? Do you guys mind these many updates? Thanks.

Glad to hear you got a tune! Only driven 15 miles with it but I can see already the shifts are actually quicker AND smoother then the other tune.... time will tell on how it performs also

Hmmmmmm . . . new software to test :happy feet:

Why can't Ford develop one for the Edge!?!? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_PowerShift_transmission

The one thing I do wish Ford used was a PDK / DSG / STronic / etc whatever dual clutch trans that shifted faster then the current trans as you could get a launch control and shift faster which would get a couple tenths off the 1/4.

Just to provide some insight on the 60-70 lag, here is a visual representation on what is happening. After the car shift into third at 60 mph there is a lag. What should happen is the seconds graph should go up incrementally due to drag and weight all other things equal. So as you increase in speed, your next 10 mph block shouldn't be faster then your previous block (again all things being equal). What is happening in the Edge with the LMS tune is the 60-70 is just as fast as the 70-80 which is costing around .2 seconds. If LMS can straighten this out it may take that .2 seconds out of the equation and provide a faster 1/4 mile time.

Sure thing, I kinda enjoy this type of testing. I always wanted to know what real world numbers are and when modifications are done, what type of performance gains can be had. Not just being like I gained 302234 hp on the dyno, and people always want to know speed difference to actually show gains but nobody does it... Which is why I got the VBOX, to get the best results based on modifications. Interestingly enough LMS just uploaded a new tune for me to try out (91 octane, more aggressive then the current tune) which I am excited to test out. I am also extremely interested to see what meth can do for the Edge as I hear some nice can (30+hp) be acheived.

Hey Dave, Manual mode and I shift myself? What would be shift points? Or just let it shift itself at the end?

So I won't go into the usual shhpeel as I do all my threads. Keep it short and sweet... 7650 miles 93 LMS tune K&N Filter Sport Mode DA: -2200 feet (he he he) (data directly from vBox Tools website - new best on the 0-60!!!) Oh and a bonus for those who wanted to see a 0-60 video and watch the lag after 2nd gear (damn 60-70 lag) here it is! Thanks guys!

I think I have the same problem also on my 15' Sport. Bad rattle coming right from the right side pillar between passenger front and rear doors. The first dealer was supposed to fix another rattle and just replaced the sunroof panel on the right hand side which didn't fix the issue at all.

Thanks Nick, I figure since the Shelby has 18's in the front the front Brembo's would work on clearance. Not sure about the knuckle.