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BIG job for warranty coverage, yuk!
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Without some numbers to see how bad things are, I would say not for very long. Definitely change the oil ASAP, Motorcraft synblend/full synthetic with MC FL500S filter. See if that helps any. If it does not, then the sooner you can get the Edge in the shop the better.
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That would be a good move, IMHO.
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To my knowledge, the cam sensor has never failed on an Edge. The CRANK sensor however has failed a few times, but countable on 1 hand. I say this based on reported incidents on this forum. Timing chain issues are usually rough running engines when they first start out, and as the chains become looser, they start rattling, and that is quite audible. People speak of engine rattles with the wrong oil filter on startup, but that lasts maybe 5 seconds during startup. Once the engine starts, the rattle goes away. Not so with timing chain rattle, which will persist. If it gets bad enough the Edge will be undriveable. BAD case scenario It is not horribly expensive or difficult to replace the cam pos sensor, if you really want to give that a go. AT4Z-6B288-A . Motorcraft DU90
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I will still say that since cars are sold as appliances, and owners are not trained on maintenance needs, Ford's approach relies on a certain level of customer sophistication regarding automotive technology. That sophistication usually comes about when that first major repair bill hits you square between the buttocks.
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agreed w above ^. I would say take it to another dealer, but they may not want to touch the case, or they may be friendly enough to do it for you. Regardless, the best course may be to call up Ford directly at their 1800 customer service number and be gently persistent till they get a regional manager involved. Especially seeing you are barely out of warranty AND the issue began prior to warranty expiration, they should be willing to work with you. It is best to have your dealer initiate a case with Ford directly, but this should also work if the dealer is unwilling. Mailing address Ford Motor Company Customer Relationship Center P.O. Box 6248 Dearborn, MI 48121 Telephone 1-800-392-3673 (FORD) (TDD for the hearing impaired: 1-800-232-5952)
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Adjusting gap on plugs today needs to be done with great care to not touch the center electrode. Many plugs explicitly come with the warning to NOT adjust gap. Ecoboost engines are quite particular about gap size, so unless you get a plug with gap in the range specified by the manual, go oem. EDIT: Motorcraft SP527 is OEM Similar items include NGK 6509 LTR6IX-11 IX Iridium Plug AUTOLITE XP5863 Iridium Denso ITV22 / 5430
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You know, I hope this is not a timing chain issue! Thats what p0016 codes usually turn out to be at least in these engines. It is saying that the data from thise two sensors is not matching up as expected, so the engine is pulling power/timing. May just need new VCT solenoids with any luck, as their filters do get clogged. I will have to check pids available for the 2011, coz if the ERRs are there, Forscan should be displaying them. Then u can monitor/log these events and confirm.
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Well, at least the good or notsogood vibrations are dispensed with!
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Gotta pick cars carefully, I guess, LOL. Esp great that turbo emblem is giving you 42 mpg
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56 throughout the system, Rob? And Wizard, true stats are masked by warranty replacements. I think the design is good. But implementation, not so much. Whether it be leaking seals or cinsumer awareness. Straight talk may lose some customers in the short run, but brings in many more in the long haul. Maybe they should label ecoboosts as suitable for "highway driving only". Then nothing else in the manuals would need changing LOL.
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Can accident repairs void warranty ?
WWWPerfA_ZN0W replied to luxpow's topic in Recalls, TSBs & Warranty
No need, the insurance company has the accident on record if need be. You are not doing it on the sly, so it's all good. The only caveat I have is that with any accident minor or major, make sure the sensors are all working properly and are in good physical condition before you accept the car back from the repair shop. Very often, something will get misaligned or partly broken. Keep an eye out for that. -
Bank 1 is firewall side. 1-2-3 as you look at it from the outside. 4-5-6 is on bank 2, again left to right. As to furing irder probaby 1-4-2-5-3-6, but i will need to dblchk.
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Did you replace the pcv valve? I had a bit of oil on the manifold gasket itself, but thats it. Intake, tb, etc dry as a bone.
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Codes? Brakes working fine? Checked the OCM coil drivers? Not known to be an issue on gen 1.5, but ... Possibly a throttle body issue? I would take the TPS off and check it fir wear and carbon tracking. If found, replace the throttle body. Cheap fix right now. Clean the MAF sensor again, but you may need to replace it. I had to on my Edge, as no amount of cleaning would help with throttle response issues. With either of these fixes, you should perform a KAM reset and let the PCM learn the new components.
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Not sure the 2011 has it, but the 2007 has PIDs for the VCT system, one of them being the VCT advance Error or VCTADVERR. Maybe your scantool shows it too. I use Forscan for this. So no codes are set in the PCM? Might be of the temporary variety that reset on restart, so check before turning the engine off. What oil and filter are you using? Any rattling on startup?
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May need a fuel pump/sender if the electrical connections are otherwise in working order.
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Welcome, BillyO, this is a great community, and lots of opportunities to learn, as well as assist
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Well, since the 2012my was only the second year of the ecoboost, there WAS no track record at the time. People could hardly be faulted for assuming that Ford had done it's research prior to such a heavy push into the market. Stats are not available because of the nature of warranty service. And dealerships sell the wow factor of turbo engines, not the servicing costs. The way it goes. You would be amazed by how many complaints there are about the turbos within a year of purchase. Pretty ridiculous. I wish they were as reliable as the diesels, but alas ...
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Please define the problem a bit more. Is it blowing hot air regardless of the speed or only at idle. Does it matter which oulet setting you use, vents, panel, floor etc? Could be engine fans, low coolant, improper refrigerant level, OR a bad HVAC control module at this point.
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Very odd for the LTFTs to be polar opposites like that. Injector issues could be one reason, fuel being dumped into one bank. I really would pull the plugs to see if there is an ignition, fuel or coolant issue at hand. How do the o2 sensors look, and are the vct advance errors near 0 at idle? Many issues are also caused by a bad tank of gas, how recently did you fuel up, and when did this rough idle start? Have the plugs/pcv valve ever been replaced?
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2014 Edge + Ford Fitted Hitch
WWWPerfA_ZN0W replied to Richdem's topic in Cargo, Hauling, Roof Racks & Towing
The separate trans fluid cooler was still there in 2010, so the change def happened in 2011. -
Problem is here that is a Catch 22. Since you expect parts to be reliable (otherwise why buy the car in the first place), you don't buy warranty. And turbos should be reliable after nearly 25 years of first being introduced in a Ford production car. Reasonable expectation on the part of the consumer. Fact is, Ford has been underselling maintenance requirements for some time now, and I am sure other mfrs do the same.
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2014 Edge + Ford Fitted Hitch
WWWPerfA_ZN0W replied to Richdem's topic in Cargo, Hauling, Roof Racks & Towing
It varies by MY for the 6F50/55. Originally it was stacked: A/C condenser, then trans cooler, then radiator. When the combined unit was implemented, not sure, possibly as early as 2009? For the 2007, for example, the trans cooler is $123.04 AT4Z-7A095-B Trans Cooler Oil Cooler EDGE, MKX the A/C condenser is $287.93 1 7T4Z-19708-B Condenser Transaxle CoolingThe transmission fluid cooling system consists of the following: Oil-to-air transmission fluid cooler Transmission fluid cooler tube assembly Thermal bypass valve Transmission fluid cooler outlet tube Transmission fluid cooler return tube These vehicles are equipped with an external fluid cooler. The cooler is mounted in front of the engine radiator. The cooling system also consists of a thermal bypass valve which is mounted on the transaxle main control cover. When the transmission fluid is below normal operating temperature, transmission fluid travels from the transaxle to the thermal bypass valve then back to the transaxle. When the transmission fluid is at or above normal operating temperature, the thermal bypass valve opens allowing transmission fluid to travel from the transaxle through the cooler then back to the transaxle. The transmission fluid cooler transfers heat from the transmission fluid to the outside air. For the 2013, the A/C condenser BT4Z-19708-B Condenser 3.5, 3.7 LITER $363.35 $271.61 and is also the trans fluid cooler. Transaxle CoolingThe transmission fluid cooling system consists of the following: OTA transmission fluid multi cooler Transmission mounted transmission fluid cooler tube assembly Transmission fluid thermal bypass valve Transmission fluid cooler inlet tube Transmission fluid cooler return tube These vehicles are equipped with an external transmission fluid cooler. The transmission fluid cooler is part of the A/C condenser and cannot be serviced separately. The cooler is mounted in front of the engine radiator. The transmission fluid cooling system also consists of a transmission fluid thermal bypass valve which is mounted on the transaxle main control cover. When the transmission fluid is below normal operating temperature, transmission fluid travels from the transaxle to the transmission fluid thermal bypass valve then back to the transaxle. When the transmission fluid is at or above normal operating temperature, the transmission fluid thermal bypass valve opens allowing transmission fluid to travel from the transaxle through the transmission fluid cooler then back to the transaxle. The transmission fluid cooler transfers heat from the transmission fluid to the outside air. The 2.0EB system (6F35) is a bit different: Transaxle CoolingThe transmission fluid cooling system consists of the following: Oil-To-Air (OTA) transmission fluid cooler A non-repairable in-tank transmission fluid cooler Front transmission fluid cooler tube assembly Rear transmission fluid cooler tube assembly Transmission mounted transmission fluid cooler outlet tube Transmission mounted transmission fluid cooler inlet tube Transmission fluid cooler bypass valve Transmission fluid cooler — warmer These vehicles are equipped with an OTA transmission fluid cooler and an in-tank transmission fluid cooler. The transmission fluid cooling system also consists of a transmission fluid cooler — warmer assembly which has a transmission cooler bypass valve mounted to the top of the transmission fluid cooler — warmer. Transmission fluid travels from the transaxle to the transmission fluid cooler — warmer. The transmission fluid cooler — warmer warms the transmission fluid to the transmission operating temperature using heated engine coolant. When the transmission fluid is at or above normal operating temperature, the transmission fluid cooler bypass valve opens allowing transmission fluid to travel from the transaxle through the in-tank transmission fluid cooler then through the OTA transmission fluid cooler then back to the transaxle. The transmission fluid cooler transfers heat from the transmission fluid to the outside air.