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To those of you arguing in favor of your preference for the USB/flashdrive/Bluetooth option, great, glad you like it, sure it works great for you. Ford still provides you your preferred option that is better for you. But as I said above, for me and my preferences, the jukebox system is the better, more convenient choice. I don't have and will not acquire a smart phone. I do not buy or download music on line. I only rarely rip music from my CDs to my computer for use on my iPod shuffle or my wife's iPod touch. I find the process time consuming, not intuitively user friendly and, for me, inconvenient. Over the years that I have owned my Edge, I have frequently made impulse buys of new CDs that I have seen in (for instance) Cracker Barrel when traveling, plugged it into the CD player when I got back on the road, hit Record while listening to the CD, and by the time the second track has finished the entire disc is permanently stored and archived in the jukebox. In my definition, that better capability and more convenient than having to wait until I get home and use my computer to rip and transfer the disc to a USB or mp3 player. Yes, when I sell the Edge the buyer will get the 1000+ songs that are stored in the juke box. If they don't like my choice in music, they can delete it and load their own or use the USB/flashdrive/Bluetooth features on the Edge for additional capability while still keeping the jukebox music library that I created. At the same time, since I still have the CDs, it would be quite easy to reload my music into my new vehicle if it had the jukebox option. Since Ford no longer offers that option (neither does anyone else as far as I can tell) I will be forced to use the USB/flashdrive process with all the aforementioned features that I personally find inconvenient and less flexible. My current system gives me the option of either using the Bluetooth/mp3 player/USB feature or using the built-in jukebox. The replacement system does not provide the additional capability and convenience of a built-in all-in-one system that is provided by the jukebox feature. From my perspective, additional capability with additional options is better. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Enjoy your preferred sound system; I'll have to learn to adapt to whatever capability my next vehicle has.

To Mikulski -- if I read your post correctly, you have experience with the USB/phone/mp3 player but not the jukebox system in the 2010 - 2014 Ford's. However, I have experience with both. The jukebox in the car does everything you described that your computer does plus it plays back the music without having to transfer and store it on a separate device to play it in your car. And you don't have to listen to each individual track while it downloads. The jukebox rips the whole disc to the car sound system in the same amount of time as ripping it to my computer. I repeat, I have used both systems. My Edge and my wife's Mustang have the full phone/blue tooth/thumb drive features as is offered in current Fords plus we have the additional jukebox feature that is not offered. In my opinion, based on my experience using both systems, the system with the addition of the jukebox feature is more convenient, more flexible, easier to use and better value for your money than a system without the jukebox. It's not that I don't like change. I changed from the USB/thumb drive system in my wife's old Mustang to the jukebox system in my Edge and her new Mustang. It was a change for the better. Why would I want to change back?

To akirby: I understand the process and equipment to rip a CD to a thumb drive. My Edge and my wife's Mustang have that capability in addition to the jukebox feature. My wife's 2001 Mustang also had that USB thumb drive capability with an after-market replacement stereo system we put in when her factory system broke. From my personal experience with the thumb drive/USB option in my wife's old Mustang compared to the jukebox in her 2014 Mustang and my 2010 Edge, the thumb drive/USB is not nearly as convenient as the jukebox feature. To prepare a thumb drive I have to first buy a thumb drive, use my computer at home to rip the CD to a properly configured digital file, organize the content into a playlist or catalog, then transfer the file to the thumb drive. With the jukebox, I plug the CD into my car stereo while driving, hit Record, and either listen to the CD or listen to the radio while the CD is being recorded to the jukebox complete with organization into Artist, Album and Track. If I want to create, modify or delete playlists or any music files I can do that in the car without having any additional equipment or work. And the jukebox feature enables me to select playlist, artist, album or song by voice command. The buyers that prefer the thumb drive or Blue Tooth option are welcome to their choice. I wish that Ford provided me the same option to choose my preference.

Reply to akirby: 1. You're right. And I prefer the interior of the 2010 Edge. 2. If it's an option, that's fine. I just won't choose that option. 3. "Vast majority like it" doesn't include me or my wife and no, we won't ever get used to it. We may be forced to live with it since it seems that keys are no longer an option but we won't like it. BTW, in my Air Force job, I frequently have to work in classified facilities which prohibit electronic devices such as cell phones, tablets, iPods, etc from being brought into the facility. Automobile key fobs with their transmit/receive function are among the items that must be left outside of the facility. Another reason I prefer to have a real key. 4. You are making my point. I was unsure if the thumb drive was an option with the new sound system, but even that is less convenient and requires additional equipment and actions on my part to provide less capability than already exists in my 2010 Edge. Why was it changed?

I have a 2010 Edge Limited which just crossed 175,000 miles. I have never really liked driving it as a day-to-day commuter vehicle (too tall, too wide, can't see the front corners when parking) but it has been a superb road trip car; very comfortable for driver and passenger, excellent road handling, adequate cargo space for luggage (not for lumber/furniture/anything longer than 6 feet), lots of very good storage space and a magnificent entertainment/radio/navigation/phone system. Unfortunately, over the last year, it has developed mechanical reliability issues including, finally, a water pump failure that destroyed the engine and required a replacement engine to keep it running. So while the replacement engine is still under warranty, it is time to replace my 2010 Edge. While the engine on my 2010 Edge was being replaced, I had a dealer rental/loaner 2018 Edge SEL for about a week. My experience with the 2018 Edge has convinced me that I will NOT purchase another Edge. BTW, my wife, who thoroughly loved my 2010 Edge, totally agrees with this assessment. All of the things that we disliked about the 2010 Edge (too tall, too wide, cargo space too short, horrible mileage) have been retained in the 2018 Edge while all of the things that we liked have been deleted. Here are the lists of changes made between the 2010 and 2018 Edge that have convinced us to look elsewhere: 1. Less convenient/reduced storage space. The open "cubby hole" and tray forward of the gear shift is now smaller and covered over. The console storage bin is smaller, shorter, and deeper without the convenient removable upper and middle trays. The cup holders in the console have for no good reason been shifted from a convenient "fore and aft" arrangement to a more crowded side by side arrangement. The very large and accessible storage pockets in the front doors have been make smaller and less accessible by extending the armrest out and forward and putting the stereo speaker in the lower front corner of the door panel. Overall a massive fail in the redesign of the interior. 2. Automatic engine shutoff when stopped in traffic (e.g., stoplight). I have had this feature in a European rental car with a manual transmission and liked it. With an automatic transmission I find it somewhat unnerving with the clearly felt "clunk" of the transmission when the engine shuts off and then restarts. I figured out how to disable this feature but then it would reset whenever I parked the car and turned off the ignition. Don't know if this is a standard feature or an option, but I certainly would not select it as an option. 3. Keyless ignition system. My wife and I both hate this feature. We both found ourselves forgetting to turn the engine off when we got out because there was no ignition key. Further, it is too easy to leave the key fob in the car if it was in a jacket pocket that you left in the backseat. I would never select this as an option, but apparently it is a standard feature that cannot be changed. 4. Change of the excellent entertainment/sound system, especially loss of the "jukebox" media feature. The design, layout and ease of operation of the central computer display with radio, media, navigation and phone was superb. The convenience of the jukebox feature, which enabled us to organize and access our music library when traveling with no additional devices or connections is brilliant. My wife has exactly the same system in her 2014 Mustang -- that was a big selling point for the car. For reasons that I do not understand, this feature is no longer available in the Edge (or any other Ford product as far as I can determine.) Yes, I understand that it is possible to connect via wire or Bluetooth an mp3 device programmed with our music to provide a similar capability to the jukebox feature. But neither my wife nor I have a smart phone nor do we intend to get one. And while my wife does have an iPod for home use, it is much less convenient to program, carry and connect it to provide less capability than is built in to my 2010 Edge. We might have been able to live with the other changes that we disliked but this change is a deal breaker. Change is good if it is an improvement. However, the design changes to the Edge were most definitely not an improvement. I will be looking elsewhere for my next vehicle.

Yes, you can get roof rails and cross bars for the Edge as long as you don't have the BAMR (panoramic vista moon roof) option. If the Edge doesn't come from the factory with roof rails, you can get Ford original equipment through your dealer after market but again, not your Edge has the BAMR. This is correct for at least the 2010 version; don't know about later years.

The front passenger seat of my 2010 does fold forward to a pretty much horizontal surface but there is still a lot of variance up and down from the cargo bay over the folded down rear seat to the folded down front seat. If you have a long object that is brittle or potentially fragile it might crack where it is not supported in the middle.

Don't know if this is exactly the same issue, but I am having a problem with my Ford 2010 Edge Limited with Sync connecting to my cell phone. Until recently the system would automatically search for and connect to my cell phone via blue tooth as soon as I started the car. If both I and my wife were in the car it would connect automatically to either her phone or mine (we have the same make and model cell phone) depending upon which it sensed first. Now, however, the system will not connect automatically to either phone. I have to activate the search and connect feature with the steering wheel button after I start the car. The phone does connect this way but it is an extra step that it is (mildly) inconvenient. Our phones will both still connect automatically to the blue tooth system in my wife's 2014 Mustang so there is nothing wrong with our phones. I can't find anything describing this condition in the owner's manual. Is there some software command that has been accidently activated to prevent the automatic connection or is there a systemic problem that needs to be corrected at my next service visit? Thanks.

I should be happy with the Edge. I have a 2010 Limited which I bought used (about 15 months old with just under 20,000 miles) with every possible feature. It rides well, great for passengers on trips with lots of leg and head room and comfortable seats, has a great radio/sound/navigation system and, to date, has been very reliable. It is perfect for a soccer mom or hockey dad both as a kid transporter and a road trip to grandma's vehicle. But, as a driver's vehicle of a daily commuter it is a big disappointment. The vehicle itself is too tall and the driver's seat is too upright even with height/recline adjustments. It is also too wide and the short, very sharply sloped nose makes it very difficult to tell where the right front corner is. Even with five years of driving experience I still feel uncomfortable about adequate clearance in traffic with cars on my right and have hesitancy making a left hand turn into a parking space because I don't know if I am going to hit the car to the right as I turn in. Power is good with the V6 but at a price with really poor mileage. Barely 22 mpg on the interstate and maybe 18 mpg in town. And if you want to haul anything 6 feet long or more, such as a kayak, landscaping timbers, sheets of plywood (all of which I have tried to carry in my Edge), this is definitely the wrong vehicle. For such a big vehicle, it has a surprisingly short cargo bay even with the rear seats folded down. And the rear seats don't fold flat which further limits carrying long objects. This would be okay if I had rails and could roof load my stuff, but the Edge I bought has the BAMR and is not equipped with roof rails. As I found out after purchase Ford won't even sell them to me after market because of the BAMR even though people on this forum say it can be done. All in all the Edge has given good service for what it is designed to do. My wife really likes riding in it but she won't drive it (she thinks it's too big for her to drive). I don't mind driving it on road trips but hate driving it as my daily commuter which I have to do since I can't afford to have one car for daily use and another in the garage just for road trips. I will never buy another Edge but if Ford ever decides to import the Ford Mondeo Estate Wagon from Europe I will jump on that in a heartbeat.

I really would have preferred a wagon, but the only dealership we would consider was Ford/Lincoln/Mercury (American made, not General Motors or Chrysler, service at dealership in town) and Ford no longer makes a wagon. Choice was Edge or Flex and the Flex was too big and too expensive.

Sysem has Navigation. To go to Radio I first have to select Radio button to the left of the screen, then select which radio I want with on-screen touch, hoping my stubby fingers hit the correct spot for the the tiny on-screen button. And I have to take my eyes off the road to do this. Better human-factors engineering would have made the Media select button on the steering wheel capable of toggling back and forth between systems instead of unidirectional toggle and the other side being Voice command. Voice command does work pretty well, but still takes longer than I would like.

Yes, in absolute terms, I made a really bad choice with the Edge, but it was still the best choice of available options. We wanted a Ford for product reliability and local dealer ability to service. Dealer service in our town is either Ford or General Motors (no foreign car dealerships or Chrysler with service department) and we absolutely will not own a GM product -- local dealer service ruined my wife's Bonneville and tried to claim it was our fault. Won't go back. Based on the feature's the wife wanted in the car, the Edge came closest -- had everything she wanted and nothing she didn't want. I would have preferred the 2008 Taurus X that was sitting next to the 2010 Edge in the Ford used car lot, but the wife didn't like it. VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR! We did test drive it but we test drove the used 2010 Limited after we had test driven the new 2011 SEL. The 2010 interior was so much more comfortable and the instrument panel and controls so much better than the 2011 version, that we were more impressed with the acceptable 2010 in comparison to the really bad 2011 than we would have been evaluating the 2010 "stand-alone" compared to an absolute standard. Trading it in is not an option -- not financially feasible and the wife likes it. And it is very good for trips (just took it to Florida and back this weekend). But for day-to-day commuting or in and around town driving (unless you are hauling kids to school and after-school) this is not a good choice of a vehicle. If I could afford to, I would keep it parked in the garage for trips or the occasional haul something pick from the store and get myself a older model used Mustang coupe with manual transmission for my personal car. But finances don't allow, so I'll just learn to live with the Edge.

I have a 2010 Edge Limited in Tuxedo Black that I purchased used (18,000 miles on it) back in June. Got it because my VW Passat wagon was dieing and the Edge had all the features my wife wanted and none of them she didn't want. It's the car that I drive daily (wife's car is a 2001 Mustang convertible) but it was picked based on what she felt we needed in a vehicle for our current lifestyle. Our kids are both grown so it's normally just the two of us. Wife wanted something that was comfortable for occasional road trips, capacity to haul stuff (dirt, lumber, groceries) big enough to have at least two adults in the back but not so big as to be a land yacht (e.g., no Crown Vic or Grand Marquis). Didn't want an SUV (been there, done that) and Ford no longer makes a station wagon, so our choice got pretty well narrowed down to an Edge. We also test drove a new 2011 Edge SEL but did not like the electronic displays of the redesigned, more confined interior. As I reported in this Forum back in July under the "Does Anyone Like Their Edge?" topic, my initial impressions were not very favorable, primarily because I was not used to the different configuration and was uncomfortable with driving in traffic (it's wider than I am used to and I can't figure out where the front corners are). But in fairness to the vehicle, I thought I should give it a longer chance to see if it grows on me. Since then, my wife and I have taken it on four road trips, one with our adult daughter, one with our daughter and my mother and two with just the two of us, plus I have been driving it to and from work (12 miles each way) and in and around town daily. So I think I have gotten a more fair and balanced opinion of the 2010 Edge Limited. Good news -- great on trips for riding comfort, especially for the passengers. Seats are comfortable, ride is very quiet and smooth, sound system works great and navigation system was a big help. Cargo capacity for four adults for four days was good. I have gotten used to the extra width so I am not quite so uncomfortable in traffic (no longer feel like I am going to sideswipe cars or pedestrians to my right). Really like the sideview mirrors with the blindspot inset mirror. Wife loves it as a passenger, particularly the roominess and the height. Very reliable, safe and pleasant to ride in (for the passengers) Bad news -- milage sucks, both in town and on the road. I'm used to 22+ mpg in town and 28-30 mpg on the road. This barely gets 17mpg in town and maybe 23 mpg on the interstate. That might be considered good for the class of vehicle, but I still think it is terrible. Despite having gotten more used to the size, I still find the Edge too tall (unlike my wife, I don't like sitting up high when I drive) and too wide. And I still am not comfortable with turning left into a parking space -- can't tell where my right front corner is. Internal cargo capacity is good for luggage and groceries, but poor if you want to fold the seats down and carry something long like furniture or lumber. The seats don't fold flat and the space is too short (which is weird in such a big vehicle). There is no external cargo capacity since it came with Panoramic Vista Moonroof (aka BAMR) and you can't put roof rails on a 2010 Edge with the BAMR. So skis, kayak and bike stay in the garage. The sound system controls are poorly designed if you want to change back and forth between AM, FM, CD or Jukebox. I prefer separate button for each function instead of having to scroll through the menu, particularly since you can only scroll in one direction. Takes 8 to 10 clicks to go from FM 1 to AM; should be a single click. Still haven't gotten used to the exterior design. It just looks weird to me, kind of like a big shipping box on wheels. This is strictly a subjective, personal opinion, but I just find the appearance undistinctive and blah. And even though it is a very smooth ride on the interstate or US highways, its just not fun to drive. I feel like I'm guiding a barge instead of driving a car. Bottom Line -- in fairness, the Edge is a great vehicle for what it's intended use is, but I just don't like it. And the more I drive it, the less I like it. Given my choice (and an unlimited budget) I would have gotten a new Ford Ranchero with a manual transmission, high performance engine and suspension, bucket seats and a bed liner -- except Ford doesn't make that or anything like it anymore. The Edge is great for a "soccer-mom" or "hockey-dad" with two kids that need to be chauffered, entertained and taken on trips to grandma's or Disney World. But it is not the vehicle for a man or woman that enjoys the pleasure of driving instead of the mechanical process of getting from point A to point B.

Okay, claustrophobia might be a little over the top, but quite seriously we both felt severely confined and cramped in the 2011 SEL while the 2010 Limited felt very open and spacious. For point of reference, I also got the same sense of cramped and crowded in a 2011 Taurus SHO and a 2005 Mustang coupe. Not so much in the 2011 Mustang coupe and not at all in my wife's 2001 Mustang convertible even with the roof up. I think it has to do with the height of the center console and the door mounted armrest and window sill -- I think they are higher in the 2011 Edge. I am 6' tall, but most of my height is in my torso, not my legs, so I have to run the seat all the way down to have adequate head room. This causes the console and door arm rest to be higher relative to the seat bottom and above the natural fall of my elbows. My wife is only 5'3", and she likes a medium height position to the seat, not full down, but she still noticed the same crowding. Personal opinion is that the 2011 interior redesign was a mistake.

I test drove a 2011 SEL two weeks ago before buying a used 2010 Limited instead. There have been significant interior redesign changes between the 2010 and the 2011 which have resulted in a more cramped feeling with both the doors and the center console closer to the driver and passenger, the console height raised so it nudges against your elbow, and the window sill and driver's arm rest feeling closer. Plus, on the passeger side footwheel, the transmission hump and an extra cover or accessory plug extend into the passenger's footspace. The overall feeling of the 2011 SEL was it was more cramped to the point of claustrophobia. In comparison, the 2010, even though I am finding issues with it, was much more open and comfortable for both the driver and the passenger. I am 6', 210 lbs and my wife is 5'3" and slender so body size and type should not have been the deciding factor. Both of us agreed that there was no way on earth we could drive or ride in the 2011 SEL; it was just too confining.