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A lot of those engineers are Americans as well as the factory and the sales team. But that wasn't the point. You said "American made" and by that standard the Pilot and Highlander are American made while the Edge isn't. The other stuff is a different argument.

A few tenths in NORMAL STREET DRIVING is barely noticeable. If you're DRAG RACING or doing WOT 0-60 timed runs then it's far more noticeable but that's not NORMAL STREET DRIVING.

Titaniums can go 18" but sports are standard 20". There is no mention of upgraded brakes on the sport so 18s are probably ok but I'd check the brake rotor part numbers/size between the Titanium/Sport just to be safe.

You shouldn't be drag racing on the street, therefore it's negligible in daily driving.

But that only really matters on a drag strip - on the street I’d say the difference is negligible. Just like you think a couple of inches in interior room is negligible.

Edge is notorious for fan failures. With the engine idling turn on Max A/C and make sure both fans are running. If not replace them with OEM parts. The controller is included with the fan assembly. The aftermarket fans typically don’t work right. As for the Headlamp - check the fuses.

Yes - 6F50.

That doesn't make sense. It would double or triple the number of part numbers for the same exact part and serves no other purpose that I can think of.

They often use different spring rates with different options. E.g. different engines, heavy vista roofs, etc.

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Ok someone just ordered a 2019 ST as follows: 2019 Ford Edge ST K4A Edge AWD 99P/44F 2.7L V6/8-speed transmission 401A Equipment Group 55C Cold Weather Package 642/TFP 21” Premium Wheels RR Ruby Red Metallic 153 Front License Plate MSRP $50,020 When I build the same vehicle as a 2018 Sport the MSRP is $47,690 or a difference of $2330. Let the gnashing of teeth and complaining commence.

My exact quote was "a few thousand more" which could be as little as $2K. Why wouldn't it be? With the added power and other tuning from Ford Performance it should outperform the old Sport. Do you expect the Ford Performance team to work for free? That said they may keep it the same price as the old sport. I was just guessing since they seem to have made considerable improvements, contrary to what some of you believe.

That's only on the FWD 3.5 and 3.7L engines. RWD is not affected. When was the last coolant change?

The order guide also doesn’t mention the extra engine power or the enhanced transmission shifting. But it does say “Ford Performance tuned suspension” as opposed to the 2018 Sport which is just sport tuned suspension. The difference is the Sport was tuned by the Edge team just like the normal Edge whereas the ST was tuned by Ford Performance. It doesn’t mean it has a unique suspension (it doesn’t appear to be the electronically controlled suspension from the Nautilus - that would have been spelled out in the order guide). Just that they tested it and tuned it along with the tires and the rest of the vehicle. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. I just don’t understand the skepticism given Ford Performance’s reputation and what they’ve done on other vehicles. Or is it that you guys have huge expectations of a super stiff lowered race suspension? You’re not going to see that on a ST model.

Why would they go to the trouble of tuning the engine and adding a new sport mode to the transmission and not touch the suspension which is the simplest to change? https://www.caranddriver.com/news/2019-ford-edge-st-photos-and-full-info-news Ford has assured us that the Edge ST was, in fact, developed with the Ford Performance team, which the list of upgrades seems to confirm. Power Play Kicking off the makeover is the installation of a 335-hp version of the twin-turbo 2.7-liter V-6, still with EcoBoost branding. With 380 lb-ft of torque, it outguns the outgoing 2.7 by 20 horsepower and 30 lb-ft. Likewise, a standard eight-speed automatic transmission replaces the six-speed automatic in the outgoing Edge Sport. Both should help propel the new Edge ST to 60 mph quicker than the 5.6 seconds weve recorded in the Edge Sport. All-wheel drive is standard, and an ST-tuned suspension is fitted for sharper responses and improved handling, Ford said. In addition to the hardware swaps, the Edge ST features a specific Sport mode that tightens throttle response and alters shift programming, including the ability to perform rev-matched downshifts and hold gears near the engines redline. Selected by depressing the center button of the new console-mounted rotary shifter, Sport mode also preselects gears for sprightly corner exits, which should enable the driver to brake hard and dive deep into a corner at speed and exit in a lower gear, keeping engine rpm in the meat of the powerband. Optionally, drivers can call out their own shifts via the wheel-mounted shift paddles. Sport mode also provides greater engine braking and a slightly more aggressive exhaust note. Also, yes, all of that describes a Ford Edge. Ford said the team that developed the ST entered the project with specific grip, braking, ride, and handling targets tailored for enthusiasts. As evidence, consider the Edge STs relaxed stability control in Sport mode, which widens the window regarding wheelspin and slip angle before it steps in to assist, Ford told us. Shutting off the stability control completely is a misnomer, as it leaves the system active to help prevent a rollover, an aspect we can dig.

Actually I think the one that’s really bad has straight pipes and it’s far worse than a hemi with a muffler.

You don’t have to change the ride height to make it handle better.

If this vehicle was a normal factory Edge I’d agree. But do you not understand what Ford Performance means? It’s a completely separate group at Ford. It’s not just a ST badge. Do you think the Mustang GT350 uses the stock suspension? Or the Focus RS/ST?

That’s not how Ford Performance works. They tuned the suspension.

Who said the suspension is the same? Ford Performance specifically tuned the suspension. It’s not the same.

Unlikely they're plug and play - 2 different platforms.

The 8 speed is for all Edges not just the ST. Again, you’re paying for the ST badge which comes with Ford Performance tuning on the engine, transmission, suspension, handling and braking. The current Sport was only tuned mildly by the normal Edge team, not Ford Performance. How much that’s worth is an individual thing.

They did increase the engine power and many other things.

If you don’t understand the benefits of Ford Performance tuning on the entire vehicle I’m not going to argue about it. It’s a dedicated team that does the Ford GT, Mustang GT350, Raptor, Focus RS/ST, etc. and they tune everything.